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Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: Adam D on September 05, 2008, 11:21:13 PM
Here it is in all its glory  ;D

Brilliant, Adam!

Nice to see you using the 'Grab' facility on your Mac.

I guess you wanted to show us the address bar in the view which you posted but (and I betcha know all of this already (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343)) if you use the shortcut cmd+shift+4 you can drag cross-hairs over any bit of the screen which you want to capture, with the result being saved as 'Picture 1.png, Picture 2.png, etc to the desktop.

I especially like it for grabbing maps from Google Maps, Multimap (http://www.multimap.com/) etc and printing them as I want to see them, not with a load of adverts or web addresses, etc.

(Depending on versions of the Mac OS the images could be saved in png, jpeg, or pdf format, I think. And anyway, 'Preview' will open export them and export them as other formats.)

Her's an example:
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 07, 2008, 11:45:54 AM
Didn't know about that keyboard shortcut actually, cheers. :)
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: Adam D on September 07, 2008, 11:45:54 AM
Didn't know about that keyboard shortcut actually, cheers. :)

Glad to help: I see you've used it already!

If you've followed the link on my post (and I betcha already did (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343)) you'll find a shedload of useful shortcuts.

Well, some of them I find useful; some of them other people will find useful.
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Suzy Scott on September 07, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
For those of us with Apple machines, or perhaps giving support to those with Apple's.

I know it's the Cambridge area and all that, and the percentage of us is higher than most other areas!
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: Suzy Scott on September 07, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
... I know it's the Cambridge area and all that, and the percentage of us (with Apples) is higher than most other areas!

Agreed, Suzy.

It's just sad that there are many people who wrongly assume that if you use anything other than a PC running Microshaft Windaz and any other browser than Internet Exploiter...
Quote
Errrr, what's a 'browser'? I ain't heard of one of them. I don't think there is one on my PC.
... then you have to be unbelievably geeky.

My wife and I chose to have Macs over 10 years ago and have never regretted it.

We did so because - to a far greater extent than any PC running Microshaft Windaz - they work straight out of the box; they're not complicated to set up; they're easy to work on; and they tend to do exactly what you want and are expecting them to do.

This means that my wife, a graduate working at Anglia Ruskin University (http://www.anglia.ac.uk/ruskin/en/home.html) who nevertheless has dyspraxia and a degree of dyslexia, can do things easily on the Mac that those without these conditions often struggle to do on a PC.
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 07, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: Suzy Scott on September 07, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
... I know it's the Cambridge area and all that, and the percentage of us (with Apples) is higher than most other areas!

Agreed, Suzy.

It's just sad that there are many people who wrongly assume that if you use anything other than a PC running Microshaft Windaz and any other browser than Internet Exploiter...
A favourite trick of mine on the school windows PC's  (and on my old win-doze pc as well) was to edit the desktop icon to read "Internet Exploder". :-[
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Suzy Scott on September 07, 2008, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 12:21:19 PM
Agreed, Suzy.

It's just sad that there are many people who wrongly assume that if you use anything other than a PC running Microshaft Windaz and any other browser than Internet Exploiter...

Yes, I used to work in a helldesk building with 695 out of 700 thinking that way.
It was interesting to have the callers phone up and say "I'm using a mac", and I'd ask "OK, which version of Mac OS are you using?"
"Erm, don't know...?"

50% did know, however.
48% found out, after I told them how to find out.
2% were just rude about it. "It's an iMac" or something. Might as well tell me you're sitting on a chair, TBH.

p.s. Someone else already owns Microshaft Internet Exploiter...

p.p.s. If someone left their PC unlocked, they'd usually come back to find someone had ran a little javascript with Barbie, Noddy, and sometimes other sites all over it...  8)


Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 12:41:58 PM
Quote from: Suzy Scott on September 07, 2008, 12:34:14 PM
... I used to work in a helldesk building

I like that 'helldesk'.
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: delsons on September 07, 2008, 02:32:38 PM
You Mac people can feel smug. I've just had to buy a new PC because the old one refused to run peripherals without freezing up. Now I have to obtain the appropriate modem to get on the internet (we're still on slow dial up broadband here). Sadly, I have to stick with Micrs-t because Serif don't do the programmes for Apple Mac that I use. I am still stuck using my old machine for emails. Think about us poor s*ds occasionally.
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 07, 2008, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: delsons on September 07, 2008, 02:32:38 PM
You Mac people can feel smug. I've just had to buy a new PC because the old one refused to run peripherals without freezing up. Now I have to obtain the appropriate modem to get on the internet (we're still on slow dial up broadband here). Sadly, I have to stick with Micrs-t because Serif don't do the programmes for Apple Mac that I use. I am still stuck using my old machine for emails. Think about us poor s*ds occasionally.
Sounds like what happened to my old pc.
It started with the sound card not working, then the keyboard and eventually the graphics card!
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 02:54:48 PM
Quote from: delsons on September 07, 2008, 02:32:38 PM
You Mac people can feel smug. I've just had to buy a new PC because the old one refused to run peripherals without freezing up. Now I have to obtain the appropriate modem to get on the internet (we're still on slow dial up broadband here). Sadly, I have to stick with Micrs-t because Serif don't do the programs for Apple Mac that I use. I am still stuck using my old machine for emails. Think about us poor s*ds occasionally.

Oh, I do!

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Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 02:55:14 PM
Sorry: that was tasteless, wasn't it?

On a more serious point, the latest Intel core duo based iMacs (http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/) will run Microshaft Windoze in parallel to Mac OSX, which means that you can benefit from all of the Mac's features and ease of use for most applications, mail, internet browsing design, word-processing then switch - without a restart - to Windoze for those applications which insist on that OS.

For those interested, the very nice people at the Apple Store, Cambridge (http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/grandarcade/) in the Grand Arcade (http://www.grandarcade.co.uk/) can explain how.

And - bonus point - for those of us in education, there is a discount off all Apple hardware and software upon reasonable proof.
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 07, 2008, 03:10:12 PM
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Barry on September 07, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
At the moment there is only one thing this thread is lacking, which is a Linux user... do we have any?

Sadly my computer is infected with Vista  :P :'(
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: samw on September 07, 2008, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: barryb on September 07, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
At the moment there is only one thing this thread is lacking, which is a Linux user... do we have any?

Here I be *raises hand*
Best choice I made - things are so simple once you know how (simple to follow instructions) no viruses - and the very best part is it is free!

And we appear to be completely off topic!

SW
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: DGH on September 07, 2008, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: barryb on September 07, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
At the moment there is only one thing this thread is lacking,

Buses??
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: delsons on September 07, 2008, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: samw on September 07, 2008, 03:43:58 PM
And we appear to be completely off topic!
SW

Fascinating little discussion, though, and my hero, Dr. Johnson, took the view that intelligent conversation, albeit in cyberspace here, is the lubricant of civilised society - so there, DGH! We'll talk about buses another time. (Are you still carrying standing loads from Somersham, incidentally, or has Cockroach finally got its act together?)
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: delsons on September 07, 2008, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 02:55:14 PM
On a more serious point, the latest Intel core duo based iMacs (http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/) will run Microshaft Windoze in parallel to Mac OSX, which means that you can benefit from all of the Mac's features and ease of use for most applications, mail, internet browsing design, word-processing then switch - without a restart - to Windoze for those applications which insist on that OS.

I wish I had known that before shelling out for a new PC. You must take a course in clairvoyance, TCD, so that you can predict those occasions when lesser mortals (PC users) like me can be released from our flat earths.
Title: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Bob on September 07, 2008, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: samw on September 07, 2008, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: barryb on September 07, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
At the moment there is only one thing this thread is lacking, which is a Linux user... do we have any?

Here I be *raises hand*
Best choice I made - things are so simple once you know how (simple to follow instructions) no viruses - and the very best part is it is free!

And we appear to be completely off topic!

SW

Hello Sam,

I've been interested in switching to one of the Linux distros, but none of them seem to have easy to understand ways of installing drivers for my Belkin usb wireless adapter :(. Also, I'd need to be able to 'easily' (importantly too) recognise my Sky router, and my wife's Vista laptop...

Very Best Wishes,
Bob.
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 07, 2008, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: Suzy Scott on September 07, 2008, 12:34:14 PM
... Someone else already owns Microshaft Internet Exploiter...

Are you thinking of Microshaft Winblows 98 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1998_Jan_5/ai_20108385), Suzy?
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: samw on September 07, 2008, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Bristol RE on September 07, 2008, 04:48:14 PM
Hello Sam,

I've been interested in switching to one of the Linux distros, but none of them seem to have easy to understand ways of installing drivers for my Belkin usb wireless adapter :(. Also, I'd need to be able to 'easily' (importantly too) recognise my Sky router, and my wife's Vista laptop...

Very Best Wishes,
Bob.

Hi Bob,
Ubuntu is by far the easiest (and probably most popular) for new users. There are many pieces of software and scripts out there to install software, codecs and of course wireless cards. I don't know whether Belkin is supported out of the box, but there is a piece of software called NDISWrapper which uses the Windows Drivers for your card. I take it you want to share files from Vista to your PC? That I believe works out of the box; if you want to do it the other way round you have to install another package (software = package) which will allow you to do that (I believe if you try to share a folder the system will automatically install what's needed)

HTH
SW
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 07, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
While on this topic, I would say the worst bit of software I have on my computer at the moment is Microsoft Office.
It just seems so clunky and irritating to use compared to everything else.
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Adam D on September 07, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
While on this topic, I would say the worst bit of software I have on my computer at the moment is Microsoft Office.
It just seems so clunky and irritating to use compared to everything else.

I don't use it at all.

I have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/) and also NeoOffice (http://www.neooffice.org/) (which is a version of Open Office for the Mac - and is free).
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: samw on September 08, 2008, 09:29:08 AM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Adam D on September 07, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
While on this topic, I would say the worst bit of software I have on my computer at the moment is Microsoft Office.
It just seems so clunky and irritating to use compared to everything else.

I don't use it at all.

I have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/) and also NeoOffice (http://www.neooffice.org/) (which is a version of Open Office for the Mac - and is free).

I believe Openoffice (http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US) is now native for both Intel (http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxintel&lang=en-US&version=2.4.1) and PPC (http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxppc&lang=en-US&version=2.4.0) Macs (PPC is a version behind however)

SW
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: Adam D on September 07, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
While on this topic, I would say the worst bit of software I have on my computer at the moment is Microsoft Office.
It just seems so clunky and irritating to use compared to everything else.
Quote from: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 09:25:10 AM
I don't use it at all.
I have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/) and also NeoOffice (http://www.neooffice.org/) (which is a version of Open Office for the Mac - and is free).
Quote from: samw on September 08, 2008, 09:29:08 AM
I believe Openoffice (http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US) is now native for both Intel (http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxintel&lang=en-US&version=2.4.1) and PPC (http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxppc&lang=en-US&version=2.4.0) Macs (PPC is a version behind however)
SW

Thanks for that, Sam. I'll take another look at Openoffice (http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US). We have two Intel core duo based iMacs (http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/). Last time I looked though it had to be used via X11 (http://developer.apple.com/opensource/tools/X11.html), which I have, but which made for a less friendly interface and more difficulties in dragging and dropping stuff between applications.

Yeah, I've just looked at the OpenOffice.org for Mac OS X (http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/index.html) page and it's still via X11 (http://developer.apple.com/opensource/tools/X11.html).

So I'll probably stick to a mixture of Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/) and NeoOffice (http://www.neooffice.org/) for now.
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: samw on September 08, 2008, 05:35:11 PM
Ah, I thought it had become native now...
That must be planned for version 3 then!

Sam
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: samw on September 08, 2008, 05:35:11 PM
Ah, I thought it had become native now...
That must be planned for version 3 then!

Sam

Incidentally, Sam, do you have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/)?
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: samw on September 08, 2008, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: samw on September 08, 2008, 05:35:11 PM
Ah, I thought it had become native now...
That must be planned for version 3 then!

Sam

Incidentally, Sam, do you have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/)?

I'm not a Mac user unfortunately! I use a PC with Ubuntu Linux and a Laptop with Ubuntu and XP Dual Booted (have to run some computing software for college which isn't Linux friendly!) However, if anyone wants to donate me a Mac to play with I will be more than grateful!

SW
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 09, 2008, 07:18:47 AM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 08, 2008, 09:43:23 PM
Incidentally, Sam, do you have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/)?
Quote from: samw on September 08, 2008, 10:06:29 PM
I'm not a Mac user unfortunately! I use a PC with Ubuntu Linux and a Laptop with Ubuntu and XP Dual Booted (have to run some computing software for college which isn't Linux friendly!) However, if anyone wants to donate me a Mac to play with I will be more than grateful!

Sorry, Sam; I was tired. I had read your posts. I was mixing you up with Adam.
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: samw on September 09, 2008, 07:20:40 AM
You're forgiven!
I didn't know if my post had gone through; just as I pressed post the forum fell over!

Sam
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 09, 2008, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: Adam D on September 07, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
While on this topic, I would say the worst bit of software I have on my computer at the moment is Microsoft Office.
It just seems so clunky and irritating to use compared to everything else.

And, I was going to ask - to the right person this time - do you have Apple's iWork (http://www.apple.com/iwork/), Adam?
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 09, 2008, 09:10:31 AM
Only a trial version which ran out about 3 months ago I'm afraid.
Although I do have a very good word processor called Schreiben. (http://myownapp.com/site/applications/schreiben/schreiben.html)
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: delsons on September 09, 2008, 03:53:09 PM
Showing my age (yet again), back in the days of MSDOS I used to have a splendid program called Pipedream that would allow one to construct a document containing word processing, database and spreadsheet, all within the one program - no messing about switching from one program to another. It came from a small firm called Colton Software at Hardwick, but it disappeared when Windows came on the scene. 
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 09, 2008, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: Adam D on September 09, 2008, 09:10:31 AM
Only a trial version which ran out about 3 months ago I'm afraid.
Although I do have a very good word processor called Schreiben. (http://myownapp.com/site/applications/schreiben/schreiben.html)

See P Msg, Adam.
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 14, 2008, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: delsons on September 07, 2008, 02:32:38 PM
You Mac people can feel smug. I've just had to buy a new PC because the old one refused to run peripherals without freezing up. Now I have to obtain the appropriate modem to get on the internet (we're still on slow dial up broadband here). Sadly, I have to stick with Micrs-t because Serif don't do the programmes for Apple Mac that I use. I am still stuck using my old machine for emails. Think about us poor s*ds occasionally.
I am currently running Windows 98 SE on my Macintosh-its installing as I type this. (Very slow though- taking an hour!  :o) I'm using Virtualbox, which you can download from here (https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewFilteredProducts-SingleVariationTypeFilter;pgid=01RgaHqkAdxSR0EUQncsoQ3D00004lsw7ICn;sid=S_SKXIkbFqyKVsHXpm_CWWa-1o6k40ReHhZFnZQFab4agg==) and It can be used to run any operating system in a window on another operating system, as long as its compatible in terms of hardware etc.
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 14, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Adam D on September 14, 2008, 12:23:43 PM
I am currently running Windows 98 SE on my Macintosh-its installing as I type this. (Very slow though- taking an hour!  :o) I'm using Virtualbox, which you can download from here (https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewFilteredProducts-SingleVariationTypeFilter;pgid=01RgaHqkAdxSR0EUQncsoQ3D00004lsw7ICn;sid=S_SKXIkbFqyKVsHXpm_CWWa-1o6k40ReHhZFnZQFab4agg==) and It can be used to run any operating system in a window on another operating system, as long as its compatible in terms of hardware etc.

Well done, Adam. But why Windoze 98SE? Passed on as a freebie?
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: Adam Dowling on September 14, 2008, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: TCD813 on September 14, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Adam D on September 14, 2008, 12:23:43 PM
I am currently running Windows 98 SE on my Macintosh-its installing as I type this. (Very slow though- taking an hour!  :o) I'm using Virtualbox, which you can download from here (https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewFilteredProducts-SingleVariationTypeFilter;pgid=01RgaHqkAdxSR0EUQncsoQ3D00004lsw7ICn;sid=S_SKXIkbFqyKVsHXpm_CWWa-1o6k40ReHhZFnZQFab4agg==) and It can be used to run any operating system in a window on another operating system, as long as its compatible in terms of hardware etc.

Well done, Adam. But why Windoze 98SE? Passed on as a freebie?
Off my previous computer, which is currently sitting under a heap of junk in the attic. I only stopped using it last year!!! :o :o
Title: Re: Apple vs Microsoft
Post by: TCD813 on September 14, 2008, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: Adam D on September 14, 2008, 05:44:55 PM
Off my previous computer, which is currently sitting under a heap of junk in the attic. I only stopped using it last year!!! :o :o


"...under a heap of junk..." Adam.

Personally, I regard most - if not all - Windaz PCs as a heap of junk.  :P

PS Would you like iWork 06? (Check you PMs.)