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Title: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Mutly on June 25, 2011, 06:50:02 PM
 All the withdrawn vehicles have now been removed from St James, the last one 38097 left sometime last week, it has already been joined at PVS by 38124 which i didnt even know had been withdrawn
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55249727@N04/5869578695/in/photostream/

 Something tells me, the final three 38098/121/122 may not have long left, it'll be a sad day when we loose those, the final conection to when we had a decent bus company in Northampton  :(
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: AN68 on June 25, 2011, 08:27:39 PM
Mutly, perhaps sooner  than you think. According to the Fleet List on the First Northampton website 38098's MOT expired today, 25th June, and I can't see it being put through another one.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on June 25, 2011, 10:15:35 PM
Mutly

We haven't had a decent caring bus company in Northampton since Grampian took over from Northampton Transport, I really miss the days when we had new batches of usually five at a time of those lovely old Daimler CVG6's/Roe bodies.

Happy days !!!!
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Mutly on June 26, 2011, 07:12:28 PM
 Indeed, the Daimlers were lovely vehicles, even the VR's were well looked after.

 Here's a picure i took the other week of 267, sounded really nice coming up the hill
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mutlysbusfots/5870912172/in/photostream
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: AN68 on June 27, 2011, 10:13:13 PM
I appear to have been wrong in assuming that 38098 would not  put through another MOT as it was noted running along Edgar Mobbs Way this evening.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: grahamk48 on June 27, 2011, 11:21:27 PM
I've just looked at the fleet list on the First Northampton site and it says that 38098's PSV expiry is 29/6/11 so I wouldn't assume it is safe yet!
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: J621BVG on June 28, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
I'm assuming there will be no replacements for the three remaining Citybuses? Does that also mean that Wirst in Northampton will be bereft of double deckers aside from the two remaining B7TLs, which surely Leicester has their eyes on.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on June 28, 2011, 10:16:49 PM
H132FLX Fan

I am sure Leicester would be only too pleased to take the last two B7TL's if they could find work for them in the same way as they stole all the others and the B7RLE's which were delivered here brand new to "show First's commitment to Northampton" as the publicity blurb went at the time.

Then they were all transferred away within weeks to Leicester and all we got in return were life expired vehicles that Leicester had finished with, some commitment !!!

So it would seem that Leicester don't have any rubbish to off load onto us so you are probably quite right to think that we shall have no double decks in the fleet when the last three Citybuses have gone except the Geminis (if they survive !)

I am sure Dale can advise us more accurately of Leicester's plans.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: John on June 28, 2011, 11:46:15 PM
Do the B7TL's have a specific rosta at Northampton or are they just used ad-hoc with the single deckers?
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Derrick Pancel on June 29, 2011, 01:52:42 AM
One could cynically suggest that no vehicles with First have a specific, allocated route  :D
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on July 01, 2011, 02:02:26 PM
Despite expiry of it's PSV and MOT tests, the wreck 38098 is STILL on the road, seen yesterday ob the usual school run.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Mutly on July 02, 2011, 12:45:01 AM
it waas on it again today
it certainly does look a wreck, surely they cant have got it through a new ticket :o
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: andymacp on July 02, 2011, 02:07:22 PM
I saw on of the Volvo B7 double decks being used as a SCHOOL BUS with the destination programmed as such. Not your usual fare.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on July 02, 2011, 02:43:17 PM
Mutly

I agree, it surely didn't deserve to get through another PSV and MOT test, if it had been allocated anywhere else but Northampton it would no doubt have been sent for scrap.

But we all know First's attitude "anything is good enough for Northampton".
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: J621BVG on July 02, 2011, 04:09:30 PM
I'm still wondering how First managed to get 38098 through it's MOT? Anywhere else, even in Cornwall, they would have put it out of it's misery by now. So much for the changes that were going to be made by the person from Blazefield who took over as UK bus manager at the start of the year. Looks like Northampton was exempt from his rule.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: ECBusman on July 02, 2011, 09:21:49 PM
I'm still wondering how First managed to get 38098 through it's MOT? Anywhere else, even in Cornwall, they would have put it out of it's misery by now. So much for the changes that were going to be made by the person from Blazefield who took over as UK bus manager at the start of the year. Looks like Northampton was exempt from his rule.

What about H132 FLX, INFACT, what about First Great Yarmouth Caister Road?
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Adam Dowling on July 02, 2011, 09:28:30 PM
I'm still wondering how First managed to get 38098 through it's MOT? Anywhere else, even in Cornwall, they would have put it out of it's misery by now. So much for the changes that were going to be made by the person from Blazefield who took over as UK bus manager at the start of the year. Looks like Northampton was exempt from his rule.

What about H132 FLX, INFACT, what about First Great Yarmouth Caister Road?

What about it? Firsts ops in Northampton are far worse than Eastern Counties...
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: ECBusman on July 02, 2011, 09:37:14 PM
I'm still wondering how First managed to get 38098 through it's MOT? Anywhere else, even in Cornwall, they would have put it out of it's misery by now. So much for the changes that were going to be made by the person from Blazefield who took over as UK bus manager at the start of the year. Looks like Northampton was exempt from his rule.

What about H132 FLX, INFACT, what about First Great Yarmouth Caister Road?

What about it? Firsts ops in Northampton are far worse than Eastern Counties...

Ok, fair enough, I've never been to Northamptonshire, so I wouldn't know how bad their buses are over there, but, remember the Sheds Great Yarmouth had. The tri-axles, I mean. Also, I would'ave thought that First would'ave gotten rid off H132 FLX far earlier.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: andrewbus42 on July 03, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
On a slightly related matter I am told Midlands/Northampton/Leicester, Eastern Counties and Essex are as part of the management structure changes now under common management with the same Regional MD.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Mutly on July 03, 2011, 12:43:01 PM
On a slightly related matter I am told Midlands/Northampton/Leicester, Eastern Counties and Essex are as part of the management structure changes now under common management with the same Regional MD.

 That may be good news, hopefully the management team can come to the same decision as they did about Kings Lynn  ;D
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: andrewbus42 on July 03, 2011, 01:03:27 PM
On a slightly related matter I am told Midlands/Northampton/Leicester, Eastern Counties and Essex are as part of the management structure changes now under common management with the same Regional MD.

 That may be good news, hopefully the management team can come to the same decision as they did about Kings Lynn  ;D
You never know but Giles Fearnley did describe that as a one off and said there were no other disposals in the pipeline.

Just to confirm, the new management structure (from transportxtra) is...

South East and Midlands Region – Regional Managing Director: Nigel Barrett

In the South East and Midlands Region, seven General Managers will be responsible for day to day service delivery across the local towns and cities. They will report to a Service Performance Director (a new post yet to be filled) in the Regional team of specialists which has an Engineering Director, Mick Brannigan, Commercial Director, Steve Wickers, and Financial Planning Director, David Marshall.

The following key appointments have been made in each region as part of the restructure:

South and East Midlands

Steve Wickers – Regional Commercial Director.

Mick Brannigan - Regional Engineering Director.

David Marshall - Financial Planning Director.

Regional Service Performance Director – Vacant.

Phil Pannell – Engineering Projects and Standards Director.

Chris McCormick – General Manager Basildon and Hadleigh.

Bob Taylor – General Manager Chelmsford and Braintree.

Cliff Hussey – General Manager Colchester, Clacton, Ipswich, Harwich.

Colin Booth – General Manager Norwich, Yarmouth, Kings Lynn, Lowestoft.

Steve Zanker – General Manager Leicester, Northampton, Luton.

David Hibbs – General Manager Kidderminster, Worcester, Redditch, Hereford.

Peter Walch – General Manager Stoke on Trent and Newcastle under Lyme.

For details on the other regional areas visit www.transportxtra.com/magazines/new_transit/news/?id=26653 (http://www.transportxtra.com/magazines/new_transit/news/?id=26653)
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Kevin S on July 03, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
On a slightly related matter I am told Midlands/Northampton/Leicester, Eastern Counties and Essex are as part of the management structure changes now under common management with the same Regional MD.

 That may be good news, hopefully the management team can come to the same decision as they did about Kings Lynn  ;D
You never know but Giles Fearnley did describe that as a one off and said there were no other disposals in the pipeline.

Just to confirm, the new management structure (from transportxtra) is...

South East and Midlands Region – Regional Managing Director: Nigel Barrett

Wonder if Mr Barrett mentioned East London Bus Group on his CV
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on July 03, 2011, 05:33:10 PM
Steve Zanker has been at Northampton before, let's hope he shows a little more interest in the job than he did before when I wrote to him complaining about cancellation of an excursion I had booked on.

This was cancelled at the last minute supposedly due to insufficient passengers, I sent a letter, followed it up with a reminder and got no reply whatsoever, not even an acknowledgement or an apology, so that shows how efficient he is.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: dennisdart on July 04, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
I don't know anything about the history of H132FLX, but a few of the batch are still going strong in the South West
including these two.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: ECBusman on July 05, 2011, 11:41:01 AM
Nice photos, dennisdart.  :) Thanks, and for the info also.  :)
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on July 11, 2011, 12:08:31 PM
Assuming wreck 38098 has got a new PSV and MOT as it is still on the road, can anyone tell me how it managed to get re-certified as by the look/state of it, if it had been allocated anywhere else but Northampton it would have been withdrawn and long gone by now.

Still we all know what First think of Northampton !!!!!!
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dale on July 13, 2011, 03:59:51 PM
Dennis,

Most observers at Leicester seemed 'a little surprised' (understatement) when this announcement was made. As you say, he's been around Leicester/Northampton for a very long time - some suggest it's about the same time that First has been declining.......

 :(

Dale




Steve Zanker has been at Northampton before, let's hope he shows a little more interest in the job than he did before when I wrote to him complaining about cancellation of an excursion I had booked on.

This was cancelled at the last minute supposedly due to insufficient passengers, I sent a letter, followed it up with a reminder and got no reply whatsoever, not even an acknowledgement or an apology, so that shows how efficient he is.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on July 14, 2011, 09:33:39 AM
Dale

When Mr. Z was at Northampton before I understand the operating staff gavec him a nick name which began with a "W", I'll leave you to guess what it was !!!!

Lets hope he continues the decline so that we get rid of the last remnants  of First from our town.

It is noticeable that services which have been discontinued by First and taken over by Stagecoach are now flourishing, it makes one wonder the real reason for First de-registering them in the first place.
Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dale on July 14, 2011, 04:07:06 PM
Dennis,

He has the same nickname in Leicester.....

It does seem that First have not found anything else to cut here recently. After having totally withdrawn their route to Eyres Monsell via Aylestone Road (taken on by Arriva), and their Birstall route (taken on by Centrebus), they clearly ran out of ideas - so made some drivers redundant and, for good measure, got rid of the security people who used to ensure that only staff could enter the premises.....

Needless to say, these routes taken over by Arriva and Centrebus are still continuing quite happily.

I can't help thinking that Northampton must automatically appear on the (new) senior management radar quite frequently, although I do wonder if that Luton Airport work was added in just to make the overall figures more palatable to the accountants.

Dale


Title: Re: Withdrawn Vehicles at PVS
Post by: Dennis Lloyd on July 15, 2011, 09:43:14 PM
Dale

I should think the same applies here in Northampton as in Leicester, First have so few services left here that if they DID decide to withdraw any more, they might just as well throw in the towel and leave town altogether. (Hope Hope !!!)

As is already being shown, Stagecoach can do a much better job.