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Railway Operators => Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern => Topic started by: Colin on September 25, 2011, 04:23:41 PM

Title: Train hits tractor
Post by: Colin on September 25, 2011, 04:23:41 PM
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/update_train_and_tractor_collide_on_crossing_near_king_s_lynn_40_passengers_on_board_1_1070367
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: J621BVG on September 25, 2011, 04:57:54 PM
I'm glad everyone is alright. It's similar to one a few years back, where a Central Trains 170 crashed into a tractor near March.
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Post by: andrewbus42 on September 25, 2011, 07:39:19 PM
Emergency RRS between King's Lynn and Ely are expected to continue until tomorrow afternoon whilst Network Rail repair the overhead power lines.
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Post by: hobohippie95 on September 25, 2011, 07:43:12 PM
errm is anyone else having trouble accesing the link?
dont worry it working again for me (19:44)
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Post by: David Goddard on September 25, 2011, 08:25:50 PM
Working fine now.
The Kings Lynn line has not had a good weekend, with the OHLE coming down on Friday as well.
Late afternoon and evening services were subject to cancellation or delay, which continued until about 0900 yesterday morning.

The question has to be asked why the replacement buses need to run all the way between Kings Lynn and Ely, when the problem has happened just south of Lynn.  Surely trains could run as far as Downham Market, which would halve the level of inconvenience for all.
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: hobohippie95 on September 25, 2011, 08:46:20 PM
might be something to do with getting the buses to the diffrent places
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: Streetdeck on September 25, 2011, 09:54:02 PM
In reply to David Goddard:

The reason they are busing from Ely to Lynn is becasue there is no train available. The line is already blocked due to engineering work from Ely to Cambridge. This unfortunately means that the only trains in the area are either stuck in Kings Lynn (stabled) and also at Cambridge (stabled and under a possesion in connection with the installation of the new footbridge at Cambridge). XC and NXEA unable to provide stock due to usual red tape and route clearances/crew route knowledge.

It would also be pretty pointless to Bus Ely to Downham as it would be worse for passengers travelling from south of Cambridge to Lynn. They would be expected to join a train to Cambridge, Bus to Ely, Train to Downham Market and then another Bus to Kings Lynn..... Hardly acceptable.... Even worse from Liverpool Street which would be train Liverpool Street to Bishops Stortford /bus to cambridge/bus to ely/trainto downham/bus to lynn.
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: David Goddard on September 25, 2011, 10:21:24 PM
Of course, forgot about the line already being closed from Cambridge.  Makes sense now.
I wonder what the situation will be in the morning, when trains can get through from Cambridge.

Based on info from Andy, and observations at Cambridge yesterday (assembly of giant crane in the yard), was the new footbridge actually going in today?
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: Tony on September 25, 2011, 10:26:32 PM
yes the new footbridge and stairs have been fitted in today


http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/announcement/

this should link to a picture of the 365 involved in todays accident
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Post by: stagecoach106 on September 26, 2011, 12:08:07 AM
i can honestly say the tracter driver is standcoms new best friend the amount of work we had thanks to it even had the iriza out on it and a bova magic ....
bring on pay day £££
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: andrewbus42 on September 26, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
Replacement buses are now running from King's Lynn to Downham Market until further notice.
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Post by: Steves on September 26, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
Replacement buses are now running from King's Lynn to Downham Market until further notice.

From the comments last night, these should be operated by Ensign - probably with ex-Yorkshire Coastliner Olympians.
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Post by: stagecoach106 on September 26, 2011, 11:09:48 AM
Replacement buses are now running from King's Lynn to Downham Market until further notice.

From the comments last night, these should be operated by Ensign - probably with ex-Yorkshire Coastliner Olympians.

theres no deckers on it at the moment it coach's d&h and standcom are running on it .there will be no deckers on it due to the fact it wont be a decker when it gos throw watlington due to low trees any one in the downham market area fill free to bring me a brew lol
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: stagecoach106 on September 26, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
there is a ensign decker on kingslynn direct
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Post by: andrewbus42 on September 26, 2011, 12:35:09 PM
Operators noted by me so far are - Ensignbus, Greys Of Ely, Judds, Sunfun and Panther Travel - full details and photos will be on my blog later :)
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Post by: andrewbus42 on September 26, 2011, 06:52:43 PM
A report on todays RRS can be found on my blog at www.andysbusblog.blogspot.com
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Post by: Derrick Pancel on September 26, 2011, 08:15:31 PM
Regarding the unidentified blue Bova on RRS, the registration HIG4566 was previously used by Sun Fun on an ex-First Jonckheere coach
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Post by: andrewbus42 on September 26, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
Thorght it was Sunfun but was not sure - cheers Derrick :)
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Post by: X314NNO on September 26, 2011, 08:39:57 PM
with permission of the person who took the photos

NOT TO BE REPOSTED ANYWHERE
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Post by: Julia_Hayward on September 27, 2011, 06:44:31 AM
And just to pile more misery on people, lightning made all the signals between KGX and Ally Pally go pop last night. Basically the whole evening service lost after 1800 (1810 PBO left 90 late; all Cambridge services cancelled and people sent to Liverpool Street; Moorgate stoppers turned round at Ally Pally and people sent on tube to there; East Coast just gave up; next PBO service left KGX 2014, FPK at 2140, and got me home to SNO at 2240. I didn't get a seat until Biggleswade, two and a half hours standing was cruel!).
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: Streetdeck on September 27, 2011, 03:43:54 PM
Yes, but in this ever so "health and safety" conscious world we live in today, red tape and the like make even the simplest things a nightmare....to the average passenger who isn't clued up on railway operations...its just another "signal failure again".....but the signalling systems are "failsafe", meaning that any fault caused to the signalling equpment will revert all signals to danger. This can take some time to make right. Im sure that everything was being done to get trains on the move again as quickly as possible.....

Would you rather be on a train travelling under defective signalling or held up an hour or more knowing you'll be home in one piece.....i know which i would prefer...!!
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: Tony on September 27, 2011, 05:42:51 PM
the following has been copied from the first capital connect website.....


An apology: Monday 26 September 2011

What went wrong?

At approximately 18.00, there was a major signal failure in the Finsbury Park area which meant that we could not run trains to or from London King’s Cross/Moorgate. Trains were only able to operate north of Alexandra Palace and were subject to severe disruption on all routes. Eventually, at around midnight, Network Rail engineers were able to complete repairs and train services were able to resume.

Network Rail has informed us that the failure was caused by rats gnawing through electrical cables.

Because of the complexity of the disruption it was difficult to predict which trains could run. As a result, the information to our customers, and to our teams at stations, was not as clear as it should have been. I apologise for this. Together with Network Rail, we will be looking at how this incident was managed and how we can improve the flow of information to you.

Am I entitled to compensation?

If your journey was delayed by 30 minutes or more, you may wish to claim compensation under the First Capital Connect Delay Repay scheme.
You can pick up a First Capital Connect Delay Repay form from any staffed First Capital Connect station or download it here. If you have any queries about making a claim, you can contact First Capital Connect Customer Relations on 0845 026 4700.

Once again, I regret any delay you may have suffered.

Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: Julia_Hayward on September 27, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
Yes, but in this ever so "health and safety" conscious world we live in today, red tape and the like make even the simplest things a nightmare....to the average passenger who isn't clued up on railway operations...its just another "signal failure again".....but the signalling systems are "failsafe", meaning that any fault caused to the signalling equpment will revert all signals to danger. This can take some time to make right. Im sure that everything was being done to get trains on the move again as quickly as possible.....

Would you rather be on a train travelling under defective signalling or held up an hour or more knowing you'll be home in one piece.....i know which i would prefer...!!

Filling a 4-car 317 so full people are squashed up against each other, then holding it for 90 minutes in tunnels with very restricted airflow is in itself an H&S nightmare - just suppose someone had fainted, or panicked and opened a door. If there was no prospect of a reasonable passage up to FPK they shouldn't have let it go in the first place. My biggest complaint wasn't the delay, it was that I physically couldn't sit down or move around for over two hours and couldn't leave the train either for most of that time.

And I think I'm reasonably clued up - as part of passing out as a signalman I've been through hand-signalling exercises during simulated failures - it's not rocket science...
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: grandad on September 28, 2011, 07:26:47 AM
How many signals are there between Holloway and Ally Pally,one hand signalman on each,it wouldtake as long to call out staff as it did to get trains moving,if electrics are affecting the signals they will also affect track circuits so how does signaller know where trains are,it's safe to stop every thing
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Post by: hobohippie95 on September 28, 2011, 03:38:28 PM
Yes it is safer to stop in some cases but if for instance you have to stop inside a tunnel you are going to want some way of incresing airf flow to help keep passengers calm and to stop them panicking
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Post by: Streetdeck on September 28, 2011, 04:28:22 PM
Stopping in Gasworks Tunnel or Holloway Tunnel is more preferable than being stuck on the low level tube line tunnels of the Underground.
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: hobohippie95 on September 28, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
yes i agree with ya there Andy
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Post by: Streetdeck on October 08, 2011, 07:31:14 AM
The 365 is still dumped at Downham Market.... Awaiting to be taken away by Road..!!
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Post by: grandad on October 18, 2011, 09:14:46 AM
 Passed 2 lowloaders on A428 about 1230 on Sunday with 2 FCC coaches heading towards A1
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Post by: hobohippie95 on October 18, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
wow, did you manage any pics?
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Post by: grandad on October 18, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
no,came round a bend in road,no enough time to get phone out
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Post by: stagecoach106 on October 18, 2011, 01:40:02 PM
no,came round a bend in road,no enough time to get phone out

isnt that what the tractor driver said

i get me coat
Title: Re: Train hits tractor
Post by: Streetdeck on October 19, 2011, 12:03:57 AM
Two coaches were removed on saturday and the other two on sunday.. Its all been taken to Wolverton...

Speaking to a driver today, it is believed to be late next year before it will return to revenue earning service....


On a similar note, im told that 365504 which was crashed into by a camper van at Littleport Bypass level crossing, is due to return to service around the middle of next month.
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Post by: Tony on October 19, 2011, 11:37:35 PM
wow, did you manage any pics?

i got the photos of the sunday move and if i work out how to put them up here i will try to do so
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Post by: Streetdeck on October 19, 2011, 11:53:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwmLPIADT_o


Footage of the move.