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Title: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: John Wakefield on June 10, 2019, 08:50:54 AM
This from the Cambridge News today
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/buses-cause-too-much-pollution-16403292
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: al_557 on June 10, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
Cambridge have a very modern fleet compared to most parts of the country. Bedford, Fenstanton and Peterborough still have Darts on frontline services  that are up to 16 years old.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: chris johnson on June 10, 2019, 01:04:47 PM
it is nice to see some old London buses on the road out of London still with stagecoach plus its nice to have a bit of a mix fleet around in the east not keep on seeing the same old rubbish plus its nice to see them before moving on to over bus companys
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: TCD813 on June 10, 2019, 05:32:15 PM
I’m not sure the councillors are correct about London’s old buses sent to Cambridge. And, certainly the 100-seat tri-axle double deckers on order for the busway aren’t ex-London. They’re to Euro VI standard – cleaner than the car/light van Euro 6 ‘equivalent’, mainly because the testing regime for bus engines can’t be ‘gamed’ like the car exhaust tests.

I think that I’m right in recalling that Darren Roe, Engineering Director, told me that all Cowley Road’s vehicles are Euro V or better.

Op[en to correction, here.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: linkyyork on June 10, 2019, 10:48:01 PM
I think the buses concerned are as previously reported

"Look out for at least ten Scania Omnicity vehicles joining this fleet from Stagecoach London. 15074/75/78/81/83/85/87/89/90/92 are the earmarked vehicles which will be converted to single door".
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: al_557 on June 10, 2019, 11:33:25 PM
I think the buses concerned are as previously reported

"Look out for at least ten Scania Omnicity vehicles joining this fleet from Stagecoach London. 15074/75/78/81/83/85/87/89/90/92 are the earmarked vehicles which will be converted to single door".

Those are the ones. What I find weird about it is that they're all 09 plate and would replace Enviro 400's that are a year newer than them. There are older Tridents at Bedford and Peterborough that would be replaced by the resulting cascaded Enviro 400's. The reason they're going to Cambridge I think is that Bedford and Peterborough can't have high bridge double deckers due to low bridges and also don't have fitters trained on Scanias. Where as Cambridge already has Scania Enviro 400's
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: wadey88 on June 13, 2019, 10:18:44 PM
The press frustrate me, they did virtually the same article about Norwich.

They have no understanding. They seem more interested in supporting cars than public transport. They need to get their facts right.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: John Wakefield on June 14, 2019, 08:27:15 AM
Always been the same,  controversial or bad news sells newspapers.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: Palatine One on June 14, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
I would have imagined these Scanias were retrofitted at some point in their lives to comply with the London LEZ requirements? Could well be their emissions are lower than equivalent aged buses in use in Cambridge if so.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: Streetdeck on June 16, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
The media was churning out a similar story the other week about older buses being dumped on Norwich... Same Story, just change the City...
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: Nat2 on June 24, 2019, 04:23:24 PM
I would have imagined these Scanias were retrofitted at some point in their lives to comply with the London LEZ requirements? Could well be their emissions are lower than equivalent aged buses in use in Cambridge if so.

Taken from TfL’s vehicle checker...

LX09AEY
Red SCANIA
 
No ULEZ charge due for this vehicle
This vehicle meets the emission standards for ULEZ so you don't have to pay this charge when driving within the zone.
No LEZ charge due for this vehicle
The LEZ is different from the ULEZ - it doesn't apply to cars and motorbikes. This vehicle either meets the required emission standards, is exempt from or not affected by the scheme, or is subject to a 100% discount.

God forbid, the CEN or a politician would let the facts get in the way of a ‘story’ ...and some people want politicians to be in charge of our bus services!!
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: Habbinman on June 24, 2019, 07:50:47 PM

God forbid, the CEN or a politician would let the facts get in the way of a ‘story’ ...and some people want politicians to be in charge of our bus services!!

AND especially when they don't know their R's from their elbow, and are well & truly Clueless !
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: TCD813 on June 25, 2019, 04:06:30 PM
(Some) politicians are part of the problem, see this video (https://youtu.be/b4PXeO1tsmE?t=204) of Gary Forbes-Burns, Operations Support Manager at Ascendal Group (Parent of Whippet Coaches) speaking to the Cambridge Area Bus Users Annual General Meeting on 15 June 2019.

Quote from: Gary Forbes-Burns
The latest round of Cambridgeshire County Council tenders specifies that anything which does not have to come into Cambridge only has to be level Euro III and if it came into Cambridge it was Euro VI. That's something which is there which can give a very quick win, and other local authorities are pushing for much higher levels than that.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: TCD813 on July 11, 2019, 02:37:51 PM
Taken from TfL’s vehicle checker...

LX09AEY
Red SCANIA
 
No ULEZ charge due for this vehicle
This vehicle meets the emission standards for ULEZ so you don't have to pay this charge when driving within the zone.
No LEZ charge due for this vehicle
The LEZ is different from the ULEZ - it doesn't apply to cars and motorbikes. This vehicle either meets the required emission standards, is exempt from or not affected by the scheme, or is subject to a 100% discount.

God forbid, the CEN or a politician would let the facts get in the way of a ‘story’ ...and some people want politicians to be in charge of our bus services!!

Could anyone oblige with the reg marks of all ten?
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: TCD813 on July 12, 2019, 01:17:44 PM
Could anyone oblige with the reg marks of all ten?

Many thanks to Nat2.
Title: Re: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge
Post by: TCD813 on July 12, 2019, 01:20:20 PM
Here's a blogpost on the Cambridge Area Bus Users website Dirty Buses? (https://cbgbususers.wordpress.com/2019/07/11/dirty-buses/) which attempts to pull together some facts on the matter and do a little myth-busting...

Do read and feel free to comment, either here or on the Cambridge Area Bus Users site.