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FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« on: December 01, 2009, 10:48:56 AM »

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 11:44:20 AM »
A regular SOTD is the use of SLF/Marshalls on RV1 instead of the usual Citaros.
This can happen on an almost daily basis.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 02:55:55 PM »
This maybe of some intrest to some does anyone know if they confirm if the Merc's are to come up to Leeds?
Quote from: sharksmith @ Travel West Yorkshire Forum
The following two posts have been added to one of the photo's in my First West Yorkshire group on Flickr.

'22 London Citaro bendybuses are due for route 1 in Leeds shortly.'

'Just to add to what I said above, the following B10LAs were essentially withdrawn on the 23rd Dec, 10018,10019 both of which had recently been repainted! plus 10025,10026 and one other, they are being sent to Bramley for storage and wont work in Leeds again.

The Citaro`s are due anytime, the last attempt at using bendies ended in disaster with the poor bus grounded at Boddington Hall. The Citaro with its shorter rear section may prove more successful in Leeds.'


I can't comment on the reliability of this original source but the details provided seem to be believable enough so we'll soon know.  The other guy who has commented has posted all kinds of things which haven't come true so I would ignore those comments.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42560378@N02/4168034099/

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 03:55:07 PM »
I take it your talking about the Mercs on the RV1.

Well, it says on http://www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm that 5 new VDL SB200/Pulsar hydrogen powered single deckers are to be introduced to the RV1 in January 2011, so Im guessing it will be then. It could be a typo, so it could actually be this month.

One of the Mercs has already made its may to First Berkshire, along with many other ex-London Presidents. These ex-London types have been kept in red, with only some painted into First national livery.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 03:58:53 PM »
I take it your talking about the Mercs on the RV1.

Well, it says on http://www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm that 5 new VDL SB200/Pulsar hydrogen powered single deckers are to be introduced to the RV1 in January 2011, so Im guessing it will be then. It could be a typo, so it could actually be this month.

One of the Mercs has already made its may to First Berkshire, along with many other ex-London Presidents. These ex-London types have been kept in red, with only some painted into First national livery.
Well im not sure what ones exactly but they would have to be full length Bendy Merc's.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 05:40:23 PM »
Oh ok, didnt notice it said bendybuses in your post, sorry.

The only bendy routes First has is the 18 and 207, and there some of the last routes to be converted to double-deck operation. Im not sure when it will happen with these routes though

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 05:43:39 PM »
These may not be from First directly, as some of them are owned by various leasing companies, who are trying to flog them in the trade press. Arriva also apparently are selling theirs, as they purchased them directly, although they are selling the oldest ones first.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 07:54:09 PM »
Oh OK, didn't notice it said bendybuses in your post, sorry.

The only bendy routes First has is the 18 and 207, and there some of the last routes to be converted to double-deck operation. I'm not sure when it will happen with these routes though
The 18 is apparently being converted to double decks (yay, no more cattletrucks) this autumn. No word if First have the contract for it. 207 has newer bendys, so I would think 2011.
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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2010, 01:21:45 PM »
No news about the 18 on londonbusroutes.net, which is usually very quick on confirmed changes. I shall be sad to see the bendies go - they are certainly the most effective for hauling around a large number of people quickly in the peaks, when the loading times are so much better than the deckers.

Slightly off-topic, but I've started seeing brand new London United Scania deckers on driver-training and clearance checking on the 10, which First are giving up at the end of the month...

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2010, 01:34:21 PM »
I shall be sad to see the bendies go - they are certainly the most effective for hauling around a large number of people quickly in the peaks, when the loading times are so much better than the deckers.
It is nice to hear somebody with the same opinion on bendybuses as me! I too will sad to see them go.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2010, 01:42:52 PM »
I shall be sad to see the bendies go - they are certainly the most effective for hauling around a large number of people quickly in the peaks, when the loading times are so much better than the deckers.
It is nice to hear somebody with the same opinion on bendybuses as me! I too will sad to see them go.
Well to be fair the problem is Bendies arent designed for the Streets of London in my opion i much prefer the standard intergral & rigid buses.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010, 01:48:44 PM »
I shall be sad to see the bendies go - they are certainly the most effective for hauling around a large number of people quickly in the peaks, when the loading times are so much better than the deckers.
It is nice to hear somebody with the same opinion on bendybuses as me! I too will sad to see them go.
Well to be fair the problem is Bendies are designed for the Streets of London in my opion i much prefer the standard intergral & rigid buses.
Are or aren't? They worked well enough on the crush routes (Red Arrow, 18, etc), having three doors and loads of standing space meant fast boarding and unloading times, needed on those routes, but in other situations with longer journeys they were never going to be as popular, and that is where deckers should have replaced them tbh.

In the case of the bendies having a higher accident rate, that could partially be due to other drivers not realising the amount of space they need on the road and adjusting their driving accordingly. Bit like when you're at traffic lights next to a artic lorry thats turning right and youre going straight on, you should sit back from the stop line to allow them room to turn. Of course, some idiots don't do that and end up with a dent or worse in their car.
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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010, 01:59:36 PM »
I shall be sad to see the bendies go - they are certainly the most effective for hauling around a large number of people quickly in the peaks, when the loading times are so much better than the deckers.
It is nice to hear somebody with the same opinion on bendybuses as me! I too will sad to see them go.
Well to be fair the problem is Bendies are designed for the Streets of London in my opion i much prefer the standard intergral & rigid buses.
Are or aren't? They worked well enough on the crush routes (Red Arrow, 18, etc), having three doors and loads of standing space meant fast boarding and unloading times, needed on those routes, but in other situations with longer journeys they were never going to be as popular, and that is where deckers should have replaced them tbh.

In the case of the bendies having a higher accident rate, that could partially be due to other drivers not realising the amount of space they need on the road and adjusting their driving accordingly. Bit like when you're at traffic lights next to a artic lorry thats turning right and youre going straight on, you should sit back from the stop line to allow them room to turn. Of course, some idiots don't do that and end up with a dent or worse in their car.
Whoops slipped a key on the keyboard! I ment Arent!

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2010, 09:56:19 PM »
Meanwhile on the eastern fringes of London, Enviro 400 SN 58 CBX was seen on TfL 498 (Romford-Brentwood) on 13/1/10.
The 498 is usually worked by Enviro 200 saloons, but a 'decker appears on school journeys.
Also, I believe a 'decker off the 265 (Brentwood-Lakeside) may interwork on the 498, so this could be the one ?

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2010, 10:28:18 PM »
Marshall Dart X741HLF (DML41741) was rattling around on the RV1 service today.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 01:43:02 PM »
Just seen confirmation that First are retaining the 18. New deckers, PVR of 48 (up from 32 bendies).

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 04:08:08 PM »
Suppose it was vital for First to retain the 18, seeing how many routes they have lost recently
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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2010, 11:31:00 AM »
X's farewell to the 10 in the last couple of days has seen Presidents 33183/7 and Geminis 32363/9/83 - i.e. almost anything that still goes. Expect to see a lot more low-floors pouring out into East Anglia, as on top of the Volvos off the 10, the 476 is due new vehicles in the next couple of weeks to replace about twenty Presidents at NP.

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Re: FiL SOTD Winter 2009/2010
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 08:58:24 PM »
At Woodford Wells this afternoon, I spotted Wright Gemini VNW32666 (LK55AAY) on TfL school bus route 679 (similar to the 179), which operates between Chingford Station/Woodford Wells and Goodmayes. This bus is usually the allocation for TfL route 150 (Chigwell Row to Becontree Heath) which enters Essex at Chigwell Row.