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National Express Service 410?
« on: May 17, 2011, 10:54:00 AM »
Passed an Ambassador Travel vehicle in National Express livery between Eye and Thorney at approx 0815 this morning displaying 410 London. Does anyone know what service is?
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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 11:30:58 AM »
Passed an Ambassador Travel vehicle in National Express livery between Eye and Thorney at approx 0815 this morning displaying 410 London. Does anyone know what service is?
The new 446 from King's Lynn to London via Peterborough started yesterday - I imagine it would have been that.

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2011, 11:40:12 AM »
Passed an Ambassador Travel vehicle in National Express livery between Eye and Thorney at approx 0815 this morning displaying 410 London. Does anyone know what service is?
The new 446 from King's Lynn to London via Peterborough started yesterday - I imagine it would have been that.

410 is the London-Birmingham route, but Rob Brooks informs me there was a bit of paper in the windscreen displaying 446. Believe it was worked by FJ09DXC.

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2011, 12:12:33 PM »
Photos of this mornings '410' along with the rather poor attempt at a handwritten destinstion board presumably left over from last night can be found courtesy of Rob Brooks on my blog andysbusblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/new-national-express-service-446.html

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 02:33:33 PM »
Personally i think the 446 was to be operated anyway by Ambassador given they did operate the 010. Surpised Ambassador didn't go for just "Service" on the blind ;D ;D

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2011, 03:14:04 PM »
Personally i think the 446 was to be operated anyway by Ambassador given they did operate the 010. Surpised Ambassador didn't go for just "Service" on the blind ;D ;D
I have just been informed that the 446 is to be run by Stagecoach from the beginning of June, they had been due to takeover the service this week but for unknown reasons this has been delayed!

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 10:33:02 PM »
Maybe a new coach to come into the fleet?

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2011, 10:43:45 PM »
I am assuming that the Kings Lynn extension of the 010 has now finished?
They have not replaced the pdf of the timetable, but it no longer appears ont he journey planner.

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2011, 10:47:24 PM »
I believe there had been talk a few years ago (around 2005 ?) that the 010 journeys to Kings Lynn were to be cut back as far as Cambridge  ???

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 09:35:19 AM »
The 446 gives an additional journey at 0845 from Peterborough to London and a later journey back from London. Could be quite useful.
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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2011, 11:09:22 AM »
I am assuming that the Kings Lynn extension of the 010 has now finished?
They have not replaced the pdf of the timetable, but it no longer appears ont he journey planner.
I believe there had been talk a few years ago (around 2005 ?) that the 010 journeys to Kings Lynn were to be cut back as far as Cambridge  ???
Yes thats right, the 010 north of Cambridge has now finished with the 446 as a replacement service from King's Lynn and Wisbech. Huntingdon is now served by a diversion on separate Peterborough to London journey. March and Chatteris are no longer served.

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2011, 11:11:53 PM »
Poor March loses bus services every time it blinks!

How do the Huntingdon (2h20 / 1h55) and King's Lynn (4h00 / 3h55) journey times compare to the old 010 service?

Also, I like to moan about the difficulty in getting NX service information, so here goes again...

:( and not being able to get all destinations a service continues to from the journey planner.  You used to at least be able to work out what NX services a town had by choosing random towns around it that it was likely buses would serve and then looking at the details of all the journeys.  (Though of course it wouldn't work if there was a service from Cambridge that just happened to have its first stop in, say, Cramlington!)

Their information just isn't good enough.  It only works if you are travelling to London or an airport - but the difference between NX and Megabus etc is the quirky regional routes it runs (like Liverpool - Southend) and there's no way of finding out about its good direct routes from the information currently available.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 11:18:47 PM by barryb »

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2011, 11:23:53 PM »
How do the Huntingdon (2h20 / 1h55) and King's Lynn (4h00 / 3h55) journey times compare to the old 010 service?

I bet the Lynn-London journey time shaves a good hour or so off the old 010 service. The Peterborough NX routes go almost directly into London while the 010 weaves back and forth around Stratford and Bow.....some journeys take nearly three hours!  :(

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2011, 11:45:17 PM »
In fact, thanks to google highlighting the vaguaries of their website... I can answer my question:

http://www.nationalexpress.com/destinations/timetables/010.pdf

Huntingdon used to be 3h00 / 2h55, and King's Lynn used to be 4h25 / 4h15.

Smiles all round (as long as you're not in March...), and particularly in Huntingdon.

The Cambridge - London service is an interesting one.  Most London -> Home Counties routes where the bus journey is so disproportionately long compared to the train journey have been laid to rest a long time ago.  The only reasons for taking the bus would be that costs matters to you a lot, or that you are a tourist and don't know you should be travelling by train / are scared by the distance from Cambridge to the train station.  Yet they run the service with premium quality vehicles that must drive up the price.
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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2011, 09:05:32 PM »

The Cambridge - London service is an interesting one.  Most London -> Home Counties routes where the bus journey is so disproportionately long compared to the train journey have been laid to rest a long time ago.  The only reasons for taking the bus would be that costs matters to you a lot, or that you are a tourist and don't know you should be travelling by train / are scared by the distance from Cambridge to the train station.  Yet they run the service with premium quality vehicles that must drive up the price.
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I use the service with the plus points being
free and guaranteed car parking space at Trumpington P&R site
the total additional time to some destinations using connections at Stratford, Bow and Aldgate is acceptable.
the reduction in cost especially if you wish to leave London before 19.00.

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 08:53:12 PM »
There was a Chalfont's Van Hool T9 operating 446 tonight complete with full electronic blind display. Are they doing this regularly now?
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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 10:15:17 PM »
There was a Chalfont's Van Hool T9 operating 446 tonight complete with full electronic blind display. Are they doing this regularly now?
I'm not sure, maybe they now have the contract - I was told that Stagecoach would be running the service, I was then informed last week that they wouldn't be taking it over and that it would also not be Ambassador... Who knows whats going on!? :D

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2011, 09:43:53 PM »
Maybe Ambassador had a vehicle shortage, they must be quite streched nowadays.

Chalfont & Dhillion Coaches are often called to stand in on NX work.

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2011, 10:13:12 PM »

the reduction in cost especially if you wish to leave London before 19.00.

whats stopping you on platform 8 for a 12 car 365 to cambs at 18:00?  the tickets go through at cambs

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2011, 02:39:24 PM »

the reduction in cost especially if you wish to leave London before 19.00.

whats stopping you on platform 8 for a 12 car 365 to cambs at 18:00?  the tickets go through at cambs

Or if you plan ahead, an advance single from Pewsey - Cambridge = £9.50. The only restriction for the London - Cambridge leg is the day of travel. Plus it includes a tube connection.  :)

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2011, 01:05:50 AM »
Just to clear things up, I am told Chalfont are now operating the 446 all the time, the London based drivers stay overnight at a hotel in King's Lynn which is also where the coach is now parked overnight.

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Re: National Express Service 410?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2011, 09:28:38 AM »
Chalfont have now received some new Lavante coaches for use on Service 446

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