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« on: May 22, 2011, 10:00:26 PM »
What engine do they provide in these optare olympus ?
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Offline Andrew Morgan

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Re: Help
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 10:22:13 PM »
they are ENVIRO chassis underneath . so i think have cummins engines .

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 10:54:57 PM »
According to Bus Lists On The Web that batch have Dennis Trident 2 engines on an ADL E400 chassis as Andrew said... They are also available as Scania N230UD, Scania N270UD or Volvo B9TL.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2011, 11:01:37 PM by Andy James »

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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2011, 10:53:12 PM »
And soon to be a Integral Chassis to which IIRC are going to be Cummins Engined

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2011, 10:56:00 PM »
According to Bus Lists On The Web that batch have Dennis Trident 2 engines on an ADL E400 chassis as Andrew said... They are also available as Scania N230UD, Scania N270UD or Volvo B9TL.

Dennis Trident 2 is a chassis, not an engine. (The vast majority of Tridents have been fitted with Cummins engines)
ADL E400 is a body, not a chassis.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 11:04:58 PM »
According to Bus Lists On The Web that batch have Dennis Trident 2 engines on an ADL E400 chassis as Andrew said... They are also available as Scania N230UD, Scania N270UD or Volvo B9TL.

Dennis Trident 2 is a chassis, not an engine. (The vast majority of Tridents have been fitted with Cummins engines)
ADL E400 is a body, not a chassis.
I find all this chassis/body thing confusing... how come Optare advertise 'available on ADL E400 chassis' on their website www.optare.com/op_olympus.htm which is where is sourced the main information from?

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 11:23:27 PM »
According to Bus Lists On The Web that batch have Dennis Trident 2 engines on an ADL E400 chassis as Andrew said... They are also available as Scania N230UD, Scania N270UD or Volvo B9TL.

Dennis Trident 2 is a chassis, not an engine. (The vast majority of Tridents have been fitted with Cummins engines)
ADL E400 is a body, not a chassis.
I find all this chassis/body thing confusing... how come Optare advertise 'available on ADL E400 chassis' on their website www.optare.com/op_olympus.htm which is where is sourced the main information from?
The confusion probably comes from the Trident/ADL recipe which most people always know if they see an Enviro 400 its a Dennis Trident Chassis underneath by on the exceptions of Scania's and Volvo of course!

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 11:35:05 PM »
According to Bus Lists On The Web that batch have Dennis Trident 2 engines on an ADL E400 chassis as Andrew said... They are also available as Scania N230UD, Scania N270UD or Volvo B9TL.

Dennis Trident 2 is a chassis, not an engine. (The vast majority of Tridents have been fitted with Cummins engines)
ADL E400 is a body, not a chassis.
I find all this chassis/body thing confusing... how come Optare advertise 'available on ADL E400 chassis' on their website www.optare.com/op_olympus.htm which is where is sourced the main information from?
The confusion probably comes from the Trident/ADL recipe which most people always know if they see an Enviro 400 its a Dennis Trident Chassis underneath by on the exceptions of Scania's and Volvo of course!
Odd to see Optare getting confused about their own product! :o

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 09:18:13 AM »
According to Bus Lists On The Web that batch have Dennis Trident 2 engines on an ADL E400 chassis as Andrew said... They are also available as Scania N230UD, Scania N270UD or Volvo B9TL.

Dennis Trident 2 is a chassis, not an engine. (The vast majority of Tridents have been fitted with Cummins engines)
ADL E400 is a body, not a chassis.
I find all this chassis/body thing confusing... how come Optare advertise 'available on ADL E400 chassis' on their website www.optare.com/op_olympus.htm which is where is sourced the main information from?
The confusion probably comes from the Trident/ADL recipe which most people always know if they see an Enviro 400 its a Dennis Trident Chassis underneath by on the exceptions of Scania's and Volvo of course!
Odd to see Optare getting confused about their own product! :o
The problem is the whole issue of what you call ADL chassis is somewhat unclear and certain outside organisations appear to muddy the water somewhat.  From memory the original 2-axle Tridents were referred to as Trident 2's (to differentiate them from the earlier 3-axle Tridents for Hong Kong) but this naming disappeared fairly quickly.  I suspect most non-enthusiasts (and that would include most operators), and many enthusiasts come to that, refer to the chassis as Enviros as Optare have done, references to Trident 2 or Dart SLF 4 (Enviro 200 chassis) appear to be enthusiast appelations (and/or possibly ADL internal references), there is no reference to them in ADL brochures - in fact it is referred to as the Enviro 400 chassis in the ADL brochure for the Enviro 400 - and Optare are thus consistent with ADLs own publicity in referring to Enviro 400 chassis.  Almost all Enviro chassis are fitted with Cummins engines (there were what appeared to be a single batch of Enviro 400s for Stagecoach with MAN engines but I have heard nothing more about further orders or this option still being regularly available) although Enviro bodies can be fitted to other manufacturers chassis as well.  The vehicle in question is on an Enviro 400 chassis and so would be fitted with Cummins engine.

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2011, 09:00:13 PM »
The Trident 2 or Dart 4 references come from the chassis plates, not just some enthusiast whim!!

I think you'll find that the use of Enviro400 in ADL publicity is down to simple marketing, as they probably believe it projects a more modern image for the vehicle than continuing to use Trident, which although hugely successful, has been around for some time now.

Next time you get a chance to look at an ADL Enviro200 or Enviro400, check out the chassis plate.

Offline Colin

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2011, 09:17:18 PM »
ADL = Alexander Dennis Ltd

Since the chassis and body are therefore from the same stable, would in not make sense to market it as a complete product?



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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2011, 10:04:21 PM »
ADL = Alexander Dennis Ltd

Since the chassis and body are therefore from the same stable, would in not make sense to market it as a complete product?

Indeed!
ADL wont really be too bothered about any difficulties enthusiasts may find trying to record their products. There major concern is selling them, and if the use of Enviro400 makes that a bit easier for their marketing people, they will make maximum use of it.