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Greyfriars to North Gate Bus stations
« on: February 07, 2014, 04:25:30 PM »
The new bus station is rapidly nearing completion and people are busy fitting-out the interior.

Daventry Dart branded Dart 34592 was in today, perhaps carrying fixtures and fittings?

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2014, 05:15:05 PM »
I understand it is being used for driver's familiarisation of the interchange, something I am really looking forward to............ :-X :-X :-X

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2014, 08:45:27 PM »
Be interesting see what routes take what bays too

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 08:23:23 AM »
Here is what is on the Northamptonshire council website so far as timetables go    Centrebus 60 Bay 3, Country Lion 6 bay 7 & 21, service 11 bay 11,service 23 bay 14, service108 bay 14
Meridian Service 29 bay 2,service 31 bay15 ,Uno service 18 bay 16 service 19 bay 4 both directions service 21 bay 5 both directions , Z&S 33 BAY 16 . NO new timetables up yet for Stagecoach . I noticed that bays go up to no 22 in the drapery think it starts at 16 hope this helps a bit

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 11:37:46 AM »
There are only 12 bays in the new bus station proper. Bays 13 and 14 are immediately outside the main pedestrian entrance in Bradshaw Street. Bays 15 and upwards are in the Drapery.

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 01:27:16 PM »
Does anyone  have a complete list of the new stance arrangements? Northants CC don't seem to want to advertise this just yet for some reason... unlike Bedford and MKC (latter for Bletchley works).
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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 09:02:44 AM »
Latest I have seen (they have reissued it a couple of times so may not yet be finalised)

North Gate Bus Station
Bay 1 - Stagecoach 12 (Kings Heath)
Bay 2 - Meridian 31 (Kings Heath)
Bay 3 - Stagecoach 4 (St David's) & X7 (Leicester) + Centrebus 60 (Welford)
Bay 4 - Uno 18/19/25 (University) & Country Lion 19 (University)
Bay 5 - Meridian 20 (St David's), Uno 21 (University), MKCT 62 (Scaldwell) & Buckby's 304 (Desborough)
Bay 6 - Stagecoach 15 (Acre Lane), 16/17 (Obelisk Rise)
Bay 7 - Country Lion 6 (Lumbertubs), 11 (Links View) & Uno 21/25 (Rectory Farm)
Bay 8 - Stagecoach 7 (University/Moulton), 8 (Rectory Farm), 38/39 (Kettering), 54/58 (Moulton Park)
Bay 9 - Stagecoach 2 (Rectory Farm) & 10 (Parklands)
Bay 10 - Stagecoach 1 (Rectory Farm)
Bay 11 - Stagecoach 16/17 (Ecton Brook), 16X (Northampton College)
Bay 12 - Stagecoach X4 (Peterborough), X46/X47 (Thrapston)

Bradshaw Street
Bay 13 - Stagecoach 1 (Brackmills), 3 (Riverside), 5 (Southfields), 9B (WFC), 24 (The Lakes), 39 (General Hosp), 51/53 (Brackmills)
Bay 14 - Country Lion 23 & 108 (Brackmills), Stagecoach 41 (Bedford), Roy's Minibuses 43 (Bozeat)

Drapery
Bay 15 - Stagecoach 7 (Grange Park), 14 (Horton), X4/X7 (Milton Keynes)
Bay 16 - Stagecoach 14 (East Hunsbury), 87 (Towcester), Uno 18 (Derngate Ctr) & Z&S 33/33A (Milton Keynes)
Bay 17 - Stagecoach 8 (Camp Hill), 10 (West Hunsbury), 86 (Towcester), 89 (Milton Keynes)
Bay 18 - Stagecoach 12 (Camp Hill), Goode 289 (Paulerspury) + a couple of community buses to Tiffield, Thurleigh & Clapham.
Bay 19 - Stagecoach 5/22/22A (St Giles)
Bay 20 - Uno 25 (Daventry), Stagecoach 50/50A (West Hunsbury), D1/D2/D3 (Daventry)
Bay 21 - Stagecoach 3 (Rye Hill), 96 (Rugby), Country Lion 6 (New Duston) & MKCT G1 (Norton)
Bay 22 - Stagecoach 9/9A/9B (New Duston)

Interesting the number of long-distance interurban services running off the Drapery stops & the number of local cross-town local services running out of the bus station, I would of thought it would have made sense to try & swap some of those (I assume that wasn't an option for operational/onward road use purposes or am I just being naïve?)

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2014, 09:54:45 AM »
If Dwarfer's information about the allocation of services to bays at the new glorified bus stop prove to be the final set up, then there is something very wrong with it.

Why should the likes of Meridian, Buckby and Centerbus be allocated bays under cover whilst established services like Daventry D1/2/3, St. Giles Park/Southfields Service5 and New Duston Services 9/9A/9B be outside in the Drapery.

I doubt if that fat idiot Mackintosh has ever seen the inside of a bus and he can be held entirely responsible for this debacle, the money spent on the new so-called bus station should have been spent on refurbishing Greyfriars to rectify the years of neglect and this would have made it acceptable and far more convenient to passengers as it has been since 1976.

Why  does it have to be demolished- simly to leave an empty space as it is quite obvious that L&G will never go ahead with the extension of the Grosvenor Centre.

I guarantee that in a very short time Mackintosh & co. will realise what a catastrophic mistake they have made, this town has been taken by Mackintosh back almost forty years to when NCT used to have bus stops in the Drapery, Mercers Row and bottom of Abington Street with passengers standing exposed to whatever the British climate liked to throw at them.

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2014, 05:51:21 PM »
Crikey , (  in my best Billy Bunter voice ) , with-out being branded a " racist " Suzy . You can tell you originate from Scotland ( like my wife ) . We would say  ( Bus ) Stand , It is only in your fair country they say stance !
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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2014, 07:43:53 PM »
Just a quick re shuffle moving key services like 9's & Daventry Darts also Milton Keynes X4/7 to the interchange:

My personal way of allocations

North Gate Bus Station
Bay 1 - Stagecoach 12 (Kings Heath) & Meridian 31 (Kings Heath)
Bay 2 - Uno 18/19/25 (University) & Country Lion 19 (University)
Bay 3 - Stagecoach 4 (St David's), 38/39 (Kettering), 54/58 (Moulton Park) & X7 (Leicester) + Centrebus 60 (Welford)
Bay 4 -  Meridian 20 (St David's), Uno 21 (University), MKCT 62 (Scaldwell) & Stagecoach 9/9A/9B (New Duston)
Bay 5 - Stagecoach X4 (Peterborough), X46/X47 (Thrapston)
Bay 6 - Stagecoach 15 (Acre Lane), 16/17 (Obelisk Rise)
Bay 7 - Country Lion 6 (Lumbertubs), 11 (Links View) & Uno 21/25 (Rectory Farm)
Bay 8 - Stagecoach 7 (University/Moulton), 8 (Rectory Farm)
Bay 9 - Stagecoach 2 (Rectory Farm) & 10 (Parklands)
Bay 10 - Stagecoach 1 (Rectory Farm)
Bay 11 - Stagecoach 16/17 (Ecton Brook), 16X (Northampton College)
Bay 12 - Buckby's 304 (Desborough), Stagecoach D1/D2/D3 (Daventry) & X4/X7 (Milton Keynes)

Bradshaw Street
Bay 13 - Stagecoach 1 (Brackmills), 3 (Riverside), 5 (Southfields), 9B (WFC), 24 (The Lakes), 39 (General Hosp), 51/53 (Brackmills)
Bay 14 - Country Lion 23 & 108 (Brackmills), Stagecoach 41 (Bedford), Roy's Minibuses 43 (Bozeat)

Drapery
Bay 15 - Stagecoach 7 (Grange Park), 14 (Horton),
Bay 16 - Stagecoach 14 (East Hunsbury), 87 (Towcester), Uno 18 (Derngate Ctr)
Bay 17 - Stagecoach 8 (Camp Hill), 10 (West Hunsbury), 86 (Towcester), 89 (Milton Keynes)
Bay 18 - Stagecoach 12 (Camp Hill), Goode 289 (Paulerspury) + a couple of community buses to Tiffield, Thurleigh & Clapham.
Bay 19 - Stagecoach 5/22/22A (St Giles)
Bay 20 - Uno 25 (Daventry), Stagecoach 50/50A (West Hunsbury),
Bay 21 - Stagecoach 3 (Rye Hill), 96 (Rugby), Country Lion 6 (New Duston) & MKCT G1 (Norton)
Bay 22 - Z&S 33/33A (Milton Keynes)


No guessing bays will get shuffled about once everything settles in ....

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2014, 09:58:57 PM »
Crikey , (  in my best Billy Bunter voice ) , with-out being branded a " racist " Suzy . You can tell you originate from Scotland ( like my wife ) . We would say  ( Bus ) Stand , It is only in your fair country they say stance !

As Northampton is still in England I have to agree- stand this side of the border, stance the other side! I'm sure Suzy won't mind us gently pulling her up on a Scottish-ism!

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2014, 10:27:32 PM »
There is a webcam mounted on the tower of the multi-storey car park (that in the background of Stonechat's photograph) which overlooks the new bus station. It gets updated every 10 minutes. There is also a speeded up video taken during construction.

http://www.northamptonez.co.uk/alive/bus-interchange/

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 07:22:32 AM »
" I'm sure Suzy won't mind us gently pulling her up on a Scottish-ism "

I tried that with my afore-mentioned wife ( from Scotland ) , even after being married over 33years , the bruising still hurts !
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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2014, 11:31:28 AM »
I doubt if that fat idiot Mackintosh has ever seen the inside of a bus and he can be held entirely responsible for this debacle...

Au contraire, Dennis.

Borough Cllr, County Councillor and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate David Mackintosh (Gosh, he has his finger in a number of pies, doesn't he? You may suggest that he ate them all, but I couldn't possibly comment!*) has been on a bus, at least once in his life and I offer proof herewith: photo-op;)

Does a politician's photo-op when Stagecoach, not the council, are investing in new vehicles count? I leave that for others to judge.

Sadly, the link above displays side-ways-on. In the (somewhat unlikely) event that your viewing pleasure would be enhanced by viewing Cllr Mackintosh erect (as it were) click this link to view the photo-op correctly orientated. (Visually, that is, not necessarily politically!)



* Just one point I'd like to make, in a friendly manner, about the criticisms which you make of the aforementioned 'stout party': I think that we're at our best as a Forum when we salut or criticise (as appropriate) the actions and policies of operators and of politicians, rather than their body-shape.  :D

I imagine that, were I, too, a Northampton resident, like my daughter, Cllr Mackintosh would not be my top-most favourite public figure.

Similarly, my dislike of The Rt Hon Eric Pickles MP, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, relates to the policies which he has pursued to denude local authorities of funds, rather than on the number pies which he may have consumed.  :-X

Moreover, notwithstanding the svelte appearance of Andrew Adonis, Baron Adonis, this will not be the clincher on whether I come to regard HS2 as a tremendous benefit or a waste of money.
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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 03:12:37 PM »
North Gate opens for business on 2 March. Bay allocations are confirmed in the link below

http://www.northamptonshire.gov.uk/en/councilservices/Transport/pubtrans/Documents/PDF%20Documents/Northampton%20Bus%20Stn%20Display.pdf

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 06:29:13 PM »
Crikey , (  in my best Billy Bunter voice ) , with-out being branded a " racist " Suzy . You can tell you originate from Scotland ( like my wife ) . We would say  ( Bus ) Stand , It is only in your fair country they say stance !

You learn something every day.  I've lived here ten years, and I'm still getting pulled up for new Scottishism's outwith the house...


I tried that with my afore-mentioned wife ( from Scotland ) , even after being married over 33years , the bruising still hurts !

Well trying to correct a Scottish lady was either brave or something.  I'm surprised she didn't force you to use said term in all everyday speech to teach you not to do it again!
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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2014, 11:11:46 PM »
Lot of Scottish banter going on here, my girl friend also Scottish has diluted her accent down now buy when she first moved down no one could understand her as she lived near London.

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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2014, 01:44:06 AM »
Think I'd come and top it off with my Glaswegian self although I unlucky have to put up with England,we will be independent soon FREEDOM!!!!

Been in England for over 10 years and I still have the accent

You learn something every day.  I've lived here ten years, and I'm still getting pulled up for new Scottishism's outwith the house...

Well trying to correct a Scottish lady was either brave or something.  I'm surprised she didn't force you to use said term in all everyday speech to teach you not to do it again!

He should be given a award, I heard the Scottish don't take kindly to being corrected
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Re: North Gate Bus Station
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2014, 08:31:01 AM »
Oh no - I never try to correct the Scottish Lady , who was originally mentioned in this thread ie- my wife !

The bruising would hurt !
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2014, 01:52:05 PM »
You learn something every day.  I've lived here ten years, and I'm still getting pulled up for new Scottishism's outwith the house...

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Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2014, 09:39:15 PM »
Gone with regret-Greyfriars bus station.

How long do I need to give it before that idiot Mackintosh is made to realise what a catastrophic mistake he has made by forcing that monstrosity (Northgate bus station) on the people of Northampton.

To those who have said they like the new bus station, see if they feel the same way when standing outside in all weathers waiting for their bus, just as the NCT passengers did about forty years ago !!! :( :( :( :(

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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2014, 09:52:56 PM »
End of a very big era tonight.... I took numerous photos on Thursday and you could feel the sadness present throughout from the shop below bus station to the drivers!
Such a shame for what could carried on but with some TLC to hand!

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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2014, 01:53:03 AM »
A nice touch from Kettering Depot, as 15741 formed the last X4 from Greyfriars, much to the delight of the "Crowd" that had gathered to see the last workings

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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2014, 09:05:04 AM »
Dennis, it's not just the Drapery stops. The new Northgate Bus Station is deliberately constructed with no heating and with gaps under the doors and between the glass panels. Presumably to discourage "undesirables" from loitering (i.e. bus passengers?)

Earlier in the day a procession had run from Greyfriars to Northgate. A photo of this lined-up in Grefriars can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78089679@N03/12857565195/

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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2014, 03:35:25 PM »
Another example of bad planning!

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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2014, 05:42:02 PM »
Come on Dennis, you can now legitimately say 'I told you so all along'
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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2014, 06:10:39 PM »
Come on Dennis, you can now legitimately say 'I told you so all along'

Agreed.

Maybe Stagecoach could have some vinyls printed: 'Draperies Jam – the taste of Northampton!'

Just seen a (very) short feature on the jams on cat-up-a-tree-TV (ITV Anglia Regional News).

Edit:

And now on BBC cat-up-a-tree-TV (Look East – for the west of the region).

And they interviewed an anti-Mac protester with a placard. (Mate of yours, Dennis?)
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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2014, 10:20:51 PM »
Cheltonian and TCD813

thanks for your kind comments, when this bus station was first muted, idiot Mackintosh was told by people too numerous to mention but including the Drivers who have to use it that the Fishmarket site was not big enough but in his usual way the little tin pot dictator would not listen and carried on regardless.

Now that he can see the chaos that has been caused today do you think he will relent and re-open Greyfriars- NOT A CHANCE !!!!

He was not even in Northampton on the first working day of his folly, he was in London at another meeting, kept well out of the way didn't he?



.GreyFriars might not have been the prettiest building but it was a BUS STATION and for over thirty years it did the job very well, the buses had clear entrance and exit facilities and I have never known problems as those experienced today being caused when Greyfriars was open.

What needs to happen is for Greyfriars to be re-opened as it is obviously the best place for a bus station, sell off the Fishmarket site and use the money to refurbish Greyfriars and then leave well alone and Sod the people who think it is ugly, it was at least fit for purpose which Northgate will NEVER be, I am waiting with interest to see what will happen tomorrow and on Saturdays particularly leading up to Christmas when the town is almost gridlocked without the added problems of the abortion FORCED upon us by the little tin pot dictator.

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Re: Greyfriars bus station
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2014, 08:44:17 AM »
[...] when this bus station was first muted [...]

At the risk of being a 'clever-Dick', Dennis, I feel obliged to point out that it probably would have been better if the subject of the new bus station had been muted! [Muted (adj): not expressed strongly or openly; refraining from speech]

Unfortunately, it would appear that it was not properly mooted [subjected to debate, dispute, uncertainty] but the debates must have been one-sided, the disputes silenced and the uncertainty muted!
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