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Quite a few "happenings" on tonights lists
 
http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/VOSA_SelfServiceOpBusRegSearch_New.asp

Select View All in drop down list where Registered is showing, then tick Eastern Traffic Area and then click on Search

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 11:51:47 PM »
What was the 4?

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PF0000108/5 - WHIPPET COACHES LTD, UNIT 1, 2 ROWLES WAY, BUCKINGWAY BUSINESS PARK, SWAVESEY, CAMBRIDGE, CB24 4UG
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Papworth and London Kings Cross given service number 4 effective from 26-Jul-2015.

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2015, 12:33:15 AM »
Looks like a significant tidying up exercise.  The coastal routes haven't run since last year. When did the 4 finish?  A couple of years ago?

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2015, 01:41:21 AM »
Apologies if already posted and I've missed...

What all do we think is happening here then?

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PF0000459/178 - CAMBUS LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN CAMBRIDGE, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between St Ives and Hinchingbrooke Hospital given service number 45 effective from 26-Jul-2015.


PF0000108/147 - WHIPPET COACHES LTD, UNIT 1, 2 ROWLES WAY, BUCKINGWAY BUSINESS PARK, SWAVESEY, CAMBRIDGE, CB24 4UG
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: St Ives Bus Station
Finish Point: Huntingdon, Hinchingbrooke Hospital
Via:
Service Number: 45
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 27-JUL-2015
Other Details: Mondays to Fridays, except public holidays


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PF0000459/186 - CAMBUS LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN CAMBRIDGE, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Eaton Socon and Eynesbury given service number 63/64 effective from 26-Jul-2015.

PF0000108/148 - WHIPPET COACHES LTD, UNIT 1, 2 ROWLES WAY, BUCKINGWAY BUSINESS PARK, SWAVESEY, CAMBRIDGE, CB24 4UG
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: St Neots, Market Place
Finish Point: St Neots, Market Place
Via:
Service Number: 63
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 27-JUL-2015
Other Details: Monday to Fridays except public holidays


If the above are what they look like then can I have a tenner on Stagecoach buying Whippet in within... how many years was it with NG?

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PF0000459/176 - CAMBUS LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN CAMBRIDGE, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Variation Accepted: Operating between Huntingdon and Eaton Socon given service number 66 effective from 26-Jul-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.

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PF0000459/182 - CAMBUS LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN CAMBRIDGE, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Variation Accepted: Operating between Godmanchester and Trumpington P&R given service number A/B effective from 26-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2015, 11:19:52 AM »
Apologies if already posted and I've missed...
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PF0000459/178 - CAMBUS LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN CAMBRIDGE, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between St Ives and Hinchingbrooke Hospital given service number 45 effective from 26-Jul-2015.

PF0000108/147 - WHIPPET COACHES LTD, UNIT 1, 2 ROWLES WAY, BUCKINGWAY BUSINESS PARK, SWAVESEY, CAMBRIDGE, CB24 4UG
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: St Ives Bus Station
Finish Point: Huntingdon, Hinchingbrooke Hospital
Via:
Service Number: 45
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 27-JUL-2015
Other Details: Mondays to Fridays, except public holidays


PF0000459/186 - CAMBUS LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN CAMBRIDGE, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Eaton Socon and Eynesbury given service number 63/64 effective from 26-Jul-2015.

PF0000108/148 - WHIPPET COACHES LTD, UNIT 1, 2 ROWLES WAY, BUCKINGWAY BUSINESS PARK, SWAVESEY, CAMBRIDGE, CB24 4UG
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: St Neots, Market Place
Finish Point: St Neots, Market Place
Via:
Service Number: 63
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 27-JUL-2015
Other Details: Monday to Fridays except public holidays
What all do we think is happening here then?

If the above are what they look like then can I have a tenner on Stagecoach buying Whippet in within... how many years was it with NG?

My first thought is to ask: "Are these tendered services?"

As for Stagecoach buying Whippet (from new owners Transit Group, remember) I think you'd be kissing your tenner goodbye.

Norfolk Green wasn't an issue for the competition authorities as only (two? three?) of NG's routes had minimal overlap/competition with Stagecoach Cambridgeshire, or Lincolnshire Roadcar, operations.

Stagecoach's takeover of Huntingdon & District was more tricky as they were one of the three companies signed up to Cambridgeshire Guided Busway operations. Moreover, the Huntingdon operations of United Counties had been disposed of by Stagecoach when they purchased Cambus/Viscount, in order to get the agreement of the competition authorities at that time.

It seemed, at the time of the H&D takeover, that only the existence of Whippet as an independent competitor – preventing Stagecoach establishing a monopoly – allowed the takeover to go through.

It seems that, nowadays, one of the large group operators can buy the operations of a company in a geographical area where they have few or no competing services (see Stagecoach's purchase of FirstGroup's Wigan ops) but must, otherwise, watch competing operators fall apart and compete them into the ground (see FirstGroup's Northampton ops).

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2015, 01:00:08 PM »
From
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/info/20051/transport_projects/465/cambridgeshire_future_transport/4

"The following bus services are currently out for tender:

    Area D: 117 (Upware - Soham - Ely and includes current services 115 and 116); 125 (Wardy Hill/Little Downham - Ely); 129 (Black Horse Drove - Prickwillow - Ely)
    Area E: 45 (St Ives - Huntingdon); 476 (Godmanchester - Huntingdon)
    Area F: 46A (Huntingdon - Sawtry - Hampton); 400 (Spaldwick - Huntingdon); 401 (Leighton Bromswold/Easton - Huntingdon and includes current services 402 - 409); 415 (Upwood - Peterborough)
    Area G (rural services): 31 (Barley - Fowlmere - Cambridge); 75 (Wrestlingworth - Orwell - Cambridge)
    Area G (city services): 114 (Cambridge City Centre - Addenbrooke's Hospital) - one option including 196 from Horningsea (Area D) for one daytime journey
    Area I: 63 (St Neots Town Service); 65 (Offords to St Neots), 150 (Tilbrook - Kimbolton - St Neots)

The tender process takes approximately 4 months and final timetables will be dependent on the costs of bids returned. Further information will be available by April 2015."

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2015, 05:01:11 PM »
Thanks for Alan's post on the Stagecoach forum, it looks as if Whippet have retained the County services 75 and 31, gained the 63 and 45 and lost the 114.  The changes all seem to be coming in at the end of the summer term.  Anyone know who (if anyone) got the 114?

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2015, 05:31:53 PM »
What was the 4?

The 4 was the London service which stopped I believe in the early 2000's.....presumably it never got de-registered?

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2015, 07:35:50 PM »
The 4's through journeys to London, stopped in July 2001.   However the short workings from Papworth Everard to St.Ivo School have remained in place since then.  This is the main reason why it wouldn't have been de-registered I think

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2015, 08:54:19 PM »
Thanks for Alan's post on the Stagecoach forum, it looks as if Whippet have retained the County services 75 and 31, gained the 63 and 45 and lost the 114.  The changes all seem to be coming in at the end of the summer term.  Anyone know who (if anyone) got the 114?

Steve
Wouldn't worry me in the slightest who's got the 114 !! Nobody hardly uses it (having driven it !!) & it has more money than any other Council -funded service thrown at it. Most of the older Lichfield Rd people who originally used, have long gone (deceased or moved out to Care Homes) & have been replaced by younger people who are car owners and don't use buses ! Could easily do 3 round trips & see only 2 or 3 passengers - so service was a waste of taxpayers money running empty for the most part.

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2015, 10:32:33 PM »
Wouldn't worry me in the slightest who's got the 114 !! Nobody hardly uses it (having driven it !!) & it has more money than any other Council -funded service thrown at it. Most of the older Lichfield Rd people who originally used, have long gone (deceased or moved out to Care Homes) & have been replaced by younger people who are car owners and don't use buses ! Could easily do 3 round trips & see only 2 or 3 passengers - so service was a waste of taxpayers money running empty for the most part.

Existence of the 114 is curious.  Fact it runs twice an hour is inexplicable.

I see the political need for it; superficially it is the only service for huge swathes of Cambridge, and superficially it is the only bus to Addenbrooke's for even large of Cambridge.  However with the timetable being kinda... useless, it serves far less practical purpose.  You can't use it to work at Addenbrooke's or to visit people at Addenbrooke's, and you'd be lucky to be able to use it to get to an appointment there. 
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 11:14:04 PM by barryb »

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2015, 06:09:10 PM »
Existence of the 114 is curious.  Fact it runs twice an hour is inexplicable.

I see the political need for it; superficially it is the only service for huge swathes of Cambridge, and superficially it is the only bus to Addenbrooke's for even large of Cambridge.  However with the timetable being kinda... useless, it serves far less practical purpose.  You can't use it to work at Addenbrooke's or to visit people at Addenbrooke's, and you'd be lucky to be able to use it to get to an appointment there. 
Quite agree with you there, Barry. However, in all the times I drove it, I think I can only remember picking up one passenger going to Addenbrookes from the route after leaving the Beehive Centre. Coincidently, the fare (as laid down by CCC) is higher than Stagecoach's...that's from City Centre !

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2015, 10:12:02 AM »
    Area I: 63 (St Neots Town Service); 65 (Offords to St Neots), 150 (Tilbrook - Kimbolton - St Neots)

Presumably just the commuter journeys on the 63? We've had two operators fighting over the daytime part and I'm sure it's commercial, not tendered...

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Re: Cambs service changes and tenders, July 2015, all operators
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2015, 01:21:00 PM »
We will be introducing new timetables on the following routes from 26 July:
Route C (Busway)
Route 1
Route 1A
Route 2
Route 3 (and new X3)
Route 5
Route 6
Route 7 (renumbered 477)
Route 8
Route 9
Route 12
Route 15
Route 31
Route 45
Route 61 (and new 62)
Route 63
Route 75
Route 476

These changes follow on from our consultation at the end of March when we received over 100 comments/suggestions from our customers.  More details of each route can be found below.  New timetable leaflets will be available on buses at the beginning of July.

Overall summary Our aim is to provide reliable services at reasonable prices, driven by friendly drivers. We need to make sure that our resources are used to the best effect. Some services have not changed for several years and consequently no longer reflect current conditions.  The timetable may no longer be easy for our staff to adhere to or the requirements of the majority of passengers may now differ.

Busway Routes C and D We are very proud to be one of the operators providing services along the Cambridgeshire Guided Busway. Our regular customers like our reliability, good value fares and the small team of friendly drivers.  Therefore we are only making a few minor adjustments to the timetable in order to reflect current demand and also cope with peak time traffic congestion. Buses will no longer operate as route D. All our guided buses will now be route C via Science Park. The journey to Long Road Sixth Form College will operate on all weekdays, not just college days, and will use The Busway between Cambridge Station and Addenbrooke’s Hospital to avoid the traffic on Hills Road.  Between the guided busway and Long Road College buses will serve bus stops on Robinson Way outside the Rosie Hospital.  The afternoon journey will be delayed by 10 minutes to give students enough time to reach the bus. The daytime pattern of departures will also now apply on Saturdays and will be complimented by the revised route 1A running on the opposite half hour, resulting in a 30-minute service from Cambridge Railway Station to St Ives.  The midday journey from Cambridge to Somersham will run an hour later, giving more time in the city. Times of route C from Cambridge City Centre in the evenings are adjusted slightly. Route 1A will provide later journeys to St Ives including a new 18:40 departure from Cambridge Railway Station.

Route 1 New route X3 will replace route 1 between Cambourne and Cambridge City Centre.  Route 1 will continue to provide local links between Cambourne, Papworth Everard, Hilton and St Ives during the daytime, with a commuter journey to Cambridge on weekdays.  There are no changes to the St Ivo School trips apart from the morning journey which will continue to Huntingdon via Huntingdonshire Regional College.

Routes 1A and 1B Route 1B will be withdrawn but the 1A will be diverted to serve RAF Wyton throughout the day, including on Sundays and Public Holidays.  Buses will run every hour making the timetable easier to remember, but at peak times additional buses on route 1A will operate giving a more frequent service. Later journeys will operate from each end of the route and the 45 provides an additional journey from Huntingdon on weekdays.  Most journeys on route 1A will now serve Cambridge Railway Station and combine with route C to provide a service approximately every 30 minutes for most of the day from the city towards St Ives. The service will no longer differ between school days and non-school days.

Route 2 We have adjusted the times of the morning journey so that it operates earlier throughout, due to traffic delays on the final approaches to Cambridge.

Route 3 (and new X3) New route X3 will provide an hourly service for most of the day between Huntingdon and Cambridge via Godmanchester.  Some journeys on route 3 will continue to operate during peak times and will serve Hilton.  Route 1 will provide most of the service to/from Hilton during the daytime, with some additional journeys to and from Cambridge at peak times.  Routes 3 and X3 will serve West Cambridge, Charles Babbage Way and there is an afternoon journey from Long Road College to match the morning journey. A later journey from Huntingdon will operate at 17:50 to Cambourne.

Route 5 Route 5 will now become a circular service between St Ives, Hemingford Abbots and Hemingford Grey, running up to every 60 minutes and linking into other services at St Ives Bus Station for onward travel to Cambridge or Huntingdon.  Route 1 will continue to serve Hemingford Grey on the school journeys to and from St Ivo School.

Route 6 This shopping service to St Neots will now start at Fenstanton and operate via Cambourne and Lower Cambourne.

Route 7 The service will be renumbered 477 (to tie in with the peak-time 476).  Buses will operate approximately every 30 minutes during the daytime with most journeys continuing to Huntingdon Railway Station to connect with trains. The service in the afternoon will no longer differ between school days and non-school days. Rail commuters can use Plusbus tickets from Godmanchester and return home from the station at 18:38 (476), 19:08 (476), 19:38 (Busway), 20:01 (Busway), 20:31 (Busway) and 21:01 (Busway).

 Route 8 The 16:30 departure from Cambridge will continue to leave at 16:30 but all subsequent times will be approximately 10 minutes earlier than at present.

Route 9 This service will operate on all weekdays in future, not just Mondays and Fridays. The afternoon journey continues to Papworth, giving residents of Boxworth, Knapwell and Elsworth the opportunity to spend 45 minutes in Papworth and then return home on route 8.

Route 12 The first journey will now depart Marley Road 8 minutes later and operate via Constable Road, Burleigh Road, Burstellars Road and Pig Lane to match all other journeys.

Route 15 The peak-time journeys between Fen Drayton and Fenstanton will be withdrawn. The afternoon journey from St Ives becomes five minutes later at 12:15.

Route 31 A revised timetable throughout the day will see buses operating every 90 minutes at off-peak times between Fowlmere and Addenbrooke’s Hospital.  At peak times buses will start/finish at Barley and Cambridge Drummer Street Bus Station.  The service on Saturdays will be very similar to weekdays.

Route 45 This peak-time service between St Ives and Huntingdon / Hinchingbrooke Hospital will be operated by Whippet Coaches from 27 July.  The 45 provides earlier and later journeys for users of route 1A between common points.

Route 61 (and new 62) These routes will become the main weekday services for residents of St Ives (see route 63 for peak-time buses).  Buses will operate up to every 30 minutes between Eaton Socon and St Neots High Street, with route 61 continuing approximately every hour to St Neots Railway Station and Eynesbury Tesco.  The 62 continues beyond St Ives High Street to Eynesbury Tesco via Duck Lane and Howitt’s Lane approximately every hour. The service in the afternoon will no longer differ between school days and non-school days

Route 63 This peak-time service linking Eaton Ford, Eaton Socon and Eynesbury to St Neots Railway Station and the town centre will be operated by Whippet Coaches from 27 July. The 61 and 62 provide daytime journeys, giving a complete service from 06:00 to after 19:00 on Mondays to Fridays.

Route 75 A revised timetable throughout the day will see buses operating every 90 minutes at off-peak times between Orwell and Cambridge Drummer Street Bus Station. Some journeys early in the morning and late afternoon are extended to serve Wrestlingworth, Croydon and Long Road College in Cambridge. The service on Saturdays will be very similar to weekdays.

Route 476 This peak-time service has a slightly revised timetable. When combined with route 477 (see details for route 7 above) a complete Whippet service runs approximately every 30 minutes from about 06:40 to 19:10 on weekdays and from about 08:40 to 17:40 on Saturdays.
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