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Offline linkyyork

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Coasthopper
« on: September 09, 2015, 09:05:38 PM »
PF0001611/52 - GO WEST TRAVEL LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN NORFOLK, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN

Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Wells Next Sea, The Butlands and Cromer, Cadogan Road given service number Coasthopper effective from 12-Oct-2015.

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2015, 08:48:47 PM »
Andys Bus Blog reports that Lynx have been awarded the contract for the winter Coasthopper plus the all year school journeys. Further Optare Tempos have been purchased for the route.


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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2015, 07:55:05 AM »
I thought the implication of the previous "agreement" to run the winter Coasthopper was that the Summer service would cross subsidise the loss making winter service.  Obviously not.

It will be interesting to see if Stagecoach return to the service in the summer.

If this is a contract with the County Council to provide the service, TUPE applies and the drivers can transfer between companies if they wish.  I don't know if Stagecoach have to offer the drivers the option to transfer if they have jobs for them (as is likely).  Also, Stagecoach seemed to have very complicated driver duties so many drivers could work on the Coasthopper at some point in the rota.

This is the information about the extra Tempos http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/about-lynx/enthusiasts/

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2015, 03:12:14 PM »
As far as I am aware, Lynx are awarded the Winter tender. Stagecoach are to continue operating between King's Lynn and Hunstanton and Hunstanton and Wells commercially, thus providing a feeder vehicle to run the 29 down to Fakenham.

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2015, 10:27:12 PM »
Sorry, I should have looked at the first post more carefully.  Interestingly, Stagecoach registered their 12th October changes earlier and then subsequently cancelled the service.

At the moment it looks like a complete mess for the customers which will damage potentially Coasthopper but we will have to wait to see what transpires with the detail of timetables and possible inter-availability of fares.

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2015, 08:22:36 AM »
Sorry, I should have looked at the first post more carefully.  Interestingly, Stagecoach registered their 12th October changes earlier and then subsequently cancelled the service.

At the moment it looks like a complete mess for the customers which will damage potentially Coasthopper but we will have to wait to see what transpires with the detail of timetables and possible inter-availability of fares.

Not really a mess for the customers as at the moment they are not aware of any changes, besides with most use passes round there anyway and will get on the first bus that comes, my guess is that there will be two buses within a 5 minute period and nothing for 55 minutes, Lynx appear to set their times just a minute before Norfolk Green

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2015, 08:33:51 AM »
I thought the implication of the previous "agreement" to run the winter Coasthopper was that the Summer service would cross subsidise the loss making winter service.  Obviously not.

It will be interesting to see if Stagecoach return to the service in the summer.

If this is a contract with the County Council to provide the service, TUPE applies and the drivers can transfer between companies if they wish.  I don't know if Stagecoach have to offer the drivers the option to transfer if they have jobs for them (as is likely).  Also, Stagecoach seemed to have very complicated driver duties so many drivers could work on the Coasthopper at some point in the rota.

This is the information about the extra Tempos http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/about-lynx/enthusiasts/

From last year Norfolk County Council stop subsidising the summer timetable, they told Norfolk Green they would get money in the winter but in the summer they are on their own

Would have thought it would be difficult to TUPE over drivers as it is not the same drivers every run, those drivers do one trip then go somewhere else, also Norfolk Green are still going to run a service by the looks of things

Going to be interesting who uses the Coast Hopper brand though, and whether Lynx will do a fast from Lynn to Hunstanton, if they don't it could be their undoing, I wouldn't want to spend an extra half an hour on the bus going round Dersingham and Snettisham

Just looked at the new buses, bit of an over kill for the route that's and they may run into problems as the buses are bigger especially round Burnham Market

« Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 08:38:53 AM by Coast_Hopper »

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2015, 05:20:51 PM »
Further developments reveal that Stagecoach in Norfolk are to operate the service all the year round commercially ie without council support. This is contained in a press release from Norfolk CC, and quoted on Andy's bus blog. One can only assume that Lynx will not now be operating on this route and will not  need their extra buses. Anyone have any further info.

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 07:46:26 AM »
Further developments reveal that Stagecoach in Norfolk are to operate the service all the year round commercially ie without council support. This is contained in a press release from Norfolk CC, and quoted on Andy's bus blog. One can only assume that Lynx will not now be operating on this route and will not  need their extra buses. Anyone have any further info.

Good bit of business for Norfolk Council, makes you wonder whether they have played one off the other and got a result, give Lynx the tender wait for Stagecoach to go commercial which is what they have done

Details here http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/News/NCC169214

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Deal struck to keep the Coasthopper operating through the winter

29 September 2015

The future of a popular coastal bus service has been secured, following agreement between Norfolk County Council and Stagecoach in Norfolk.

 The Coasthopper service, which annually carries around 500,000 passengers, will run an hourly service from October 12 between Hunstanton and Cromer until Easter 2016.

 The council’s longstanding investment in Coasthopper, building the route from scratch, had previously provided a platform for the summer elements to be operated on a commercial basis. Now Stagecoach in Norfolk will also operate this winter period and into next spring without council subsidy.

 Toby Coke, Chairman of Norfolk County Council’s Environment, Development and Transport Committee, said:
“The Coasthopper represents a vital means of transport for many residents in west Norfolk and across the north Norfolk coast, so it’s great news that Stagecoach will continue to operate the route throughout the winter and until next spring.
“The fact that the County Council has managed to ensure that no subsidy continues to be required for this service means this is not just good news for passengers but the Norfolk taxpayer as well.”

Andy Campbell, Managing Director of Stagecoach in Norfolk, said:
 "Coasthopper is a superb example of partnership working between public and private
 sectors. The effort and investment put in by both parties since the service started in 1996 has produced the success story that we see today.
 "I am delighted that we have been able to secure the future of the service with the winter timetable until next spring.” [Quote/]

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2015, 07:48:41 AM »
Lynx have already bought at least two buses for the service, and had another two on order, I guess they will use them somewhere else in Norfolk either on one of the town services or maybe Spalding

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Re: Coasthopper
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 08:40:14 PM »
New timetable released today on the Norfolk Green website, looks like they have got rid of the KLN/HUS fast, the CH1 now goes through all the villages and takes an hour to get to hunny