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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2016, 07:28:20 PM »
 I was surprised to find this zero fare ticket left on the seat of the citi 2 this afternoon.

I didn't think any zero fare tickets were issued nowadays.

Anybody out there with more specialist knowledge who can enlighten me?
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2016, 08:25:06 PM »
Somebody else might have to anser this one but i believe that they are issued by the driver if someone's concessionary has been damaged and does not work when placed on the ticket machine reader.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2016, 08:38:51 PM »
Somebody else might have to answer this one but i believe that they are issued by the driver if someone's concessionary card has been damaged and does not work when placed on the ticket machine reader.
You're  Exactly correct !!! Within the card there is a very fine metallic loop (containing the holders info) & if the card is bent & cracks, or the laminate starts to peel, the loop gets broken & won't activate the ticket machine reader. The driver must then check the photo matches the holder & check the expiry date. If all is OK then the driver issues a manual concession ticket, as depicted by TCD813. The pass holder should be notified to get a replacement card, but as the Councils charge about £8, most Bus Companies tend to tell drivers to just accept the card if the details on it are OK & issue a Zero Concession Tkt.....no point in unnecessarily upsetting the passenger !

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2016, 09:44:39 AM »
When using any Stagecoach bus in Northamptonshire I always get a zero ticket. No so in the case of London though.

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2016, 09:51:20 AM »
When using any Stagecoach bus in Northamptonshire I always get a zero ticket. No so in the case of London though.

That's interesting. Zero fare tickets ended (in general) some while ago in and around Cambridge.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2016, 10:06:24 AM »
That's interesting. Zero fare tickets ended (in general) some while ago in and around Cambridge.
It is entirely operator choice on how they set up their machines on whether they issue zero fare tickets for concessionary passes, and under what circumstances.  Centrebus, for instance, always have issued tickets to concessionary passengers for a number of reasons and there do appear to be geographic conventions where most operators in an area follow a similar policy. 

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2016, 03:44:11 PM »
EX Busway Volvo B7RLE AE09 GYZ working the City 3 to Cherry Hinton seen on Hills Road at 15.20 today.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2016, 04:05:40 PM »
EX Busway Volvo B7RLE AE09 GYZ working the City 3 to Cherry Hinton seen on Hill Road at 15.20 today.
Seen on Arbury Road this morning
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2016, 05:10:16 PM »
It is entirely operator choice on how they set up their machines on whether they issue zero fare tickets for concessionary passes, and under what circumstances.  Centrebus, for instance, always have issued tickets to concessionary passengers for a number of reasons and there do appear to be geographic conventions where most operators in an area follow a similar policy. 
I think most operators that have (generally) stopped issuing Zero Tickets have possibly done so, because they believe there is little point in issuing loads of Zero Tkts. It is not as though they have any real purpose, as they are not a receipt for any money taken (as ENCTS cardholders do not pay) so have no pecuniary value. Also, its being more eco-friendly & not using so much paper is being more cost effective. On average, a ticket roll is lasting THREE times longer !!

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2016, 07:34:41 PM »
I think most operators that have (generally) stopped issuing Zero Tickets have possibly done so, because they believe there is little point in issuing loads of Zero Tkts. It is not as though they have any real purpose, as they are not a receipt for any money taken (as ENCTS cardholders do not pay) so have no pecuniary value. Also, its being more eco-friendly & not using so much paper is being more cost effective. On average, a ticket roll is lasting THREE times longer !!

The practice actually began in Scotland, believe it or not, with Strathtay. At this time, the elderly paid quarter fare, and disabled travelled free. The latter just had to show a pass.  In the early 90's, the Commercial Director was concerned that not every journey was being recorded. So zero value tickets to a specfied destiniation were to be issued instead. Logic was that, if they knew to wait for a ticket, the journey would need to be recorded. The passengers loved it, as  they saw it as more independance like fare payers. The CD then reported up to three times more free ticket revenue in....

... but now, with smartcards and the like, that might be different.

Interestingly to note Arriva Shires don't give tickets on 300/301 for normal smart swipes. But Arriva Harlow on the parallel 724 do!
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2016, 09:15:03 PM »
It often depends on the scheme rules and whether reimbursement is based on the actual journey taken, an actual or assumed average rate, or an agreement for a fixed payment has been reached.

In the first case, tickets need to be issued so that an accurate record of journeys is made.


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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2016, 10:29:29 AM »
It has been known for ticket inspectors to travel on the X46?X47 and undertook a full ticket check between Irchester and Wellingborough.

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2016, 12:02:35 PM »
Stagecoach East Ticket Enforcement officers are always conducting ticket checks on peak time Guided bus services and on the Cambridge City 1.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2016, 01:45:01 PM »
Volvo B8RLE BF65 WKZ (21310) has seen in service this afternoon. All Ten B8RLEs have know entered service, this includes WKY,X,Z. Does anybody have any news about the were abouts of AE09 GYS and AE09 GZA?
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2016, 10:20:04 AM »
Trident AE55 DJU working the City 3 to the Whitehill Estate yesterday afternoon.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2016, 12:30:59 PM »
Does anybody have any news about the were abouts of AE09 GYS and AE09 GZA?

I'd assume Ely, although I suppose its possible that one of the pair could head off to Bedford for repaint first.

Certainly amusing seeing Busway branding in Royston - even more so when the 26 could take advantage of the southern stretch now!!

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2016, 05:30:11 PM »
Stagecoach East Ticket Enforcement officers are always conducting ticket checks on peak time Guided bus services and on the Cambridge City 1.


they go on any bus they wish. you cant say just guided busway and citi 1

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2016, 05:46:22 PM »
Stagecoach East Ticket Enforcement officers are always conducting ticket checks on peak time Guided bus services and on the Cambridge City 1.

they go on any bus they wish. you cant say just guided busway and citi 1

Maybe those two routes are where Alex has experience of this, Jack?

When I was a little boy I used to see inspectors jump off one CPPTDmotor-bus or trolley-bus in Guildhall Square, Pompey, cross the road and board another vehicle.

To my young eyes this looked so glamorous: the travel, the freedom to roam the network...

Well, I never actually became Blakey, though.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2016, 05:04:49 AM »
Stagecoach East Ticket Enforcement officers are always conducting ticket checks on peak time Guided bus services and on the Cambridge City 1.

Why? A bus is not like a train, on a bus you have to pass the driver to get on so how on earth can someone fare dodge

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2016, 05:08:53 AM »
I was surprised to find this zero fare ticket left on the seat of the citi 2 this afternoon.

I didn't think any zero fare tickets were issued nowadays.

Anybody out there with more specialist knowledge who can enlighten me?

If the passenger has a cancelled card the card obviously doesn't work on the machine, the driver is told to confiscate the card tell the passenger to contact the council to get a new one, in the meantime the passenger is allowed to travel this one time, as the card does not work the ticket records the journey

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2016, 08:47:08 AM »
Why? A bus is not like a train, on a bus you have to pass the driver to get on so how on earth can someone fare dodge
One is to check the drivers aren't fiddling, handing out incorrect tickets to customers & pocketing the difference, or allowing friends to travel for free. 

From a passengers perspective you have over-riding (buying a cheaper ticket than the journey you intend to make which is difficult for drivers to spot on a busy bus route) or the use of fake, invalid or fraudulently modified tickets to travel.  Sometimes it is just the drivers not checking properly but I have a pile of such tickets seized by our inspectors sat on my desk with some very high quality fakes in amongst them, it takes close examination to spot they aren't genuine and it often is only a slight colour difference and the laminating that gives it away, in these days of good scanners & quality printers it seems an easy thing to do.  These are often done on the on-bus tickets, there is less colour issues though the paper quality will often give it away but you also get people changing the date on expired season tickets by various methods.  You also get a surprising amount of concessionary passes not being used by the person it is issued to, normally another family member though we did get one who claimed to have bought his down the pub, if the smartcard is being scanned on the machine the driver never actually sees the photo to check it matches the holder so having roving inspectors helps catch those people.  Most of these can be spotted if you have the time to really look at the tickets but drivers are often very busy so don't have the time which is why all decent sized bus companies will have someone doing revenue checks to take some of the pressure off, and if experience shows a particular area or route has this problem repeatedly then it will get targeted.

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2016, 09:32:40 PM »
If the passenger has a cancelled card the card obviously doesn't work on the machine, the driver is told to confiscate the card tell the passenger to contact the council to get a new one, in the meantime the passenger is allowed to travel this one time, as the card does not work the ticket records the journey

I am pleased this does not happen on NX West Midlands where both our cards consistently failed during a visit in November but have worked perfectly well with the Stagecoach machines in Cambridgeshire since then

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2016, 08:19:25 AM »
I am pleased this does not happen on NX West Midlands where both our cards consistently failed during a visit in November but have worked perfectly well with the Stagecoach machines in Cambridgeshire since then
A different approach is generally taken with 'foreign' (i.e: not local) cards compared to ones from the local area as it is known there are still issues over getting programming updates across the country, authorities will often tell the card managers for their local operators but this often doesn't get spread more widely to people elsewhere in the country.  If a local card fails to read the driver can be pretty certain that there is an issue with the card (& if it has been cancelled he gets a message on his machine to tell him so, if it is broken then he gets nothing) so the passenger needs to get it replaced, if a card isn't working then it isn't valid so technically the driver would be correct to refuse it from the first use but most give some leeway.  With a card from an authority some distance away it is entirely possible that the machine simply doesn't recognise the card as the programming doesn't match what it has been told is valid and the drivers know that is an issue so most will be more accepting (as long as you are just a visitor since you are supposed to get a new pass from the authority where you live when you move house).

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2016, 04:14:39 PM »
The Last two EX busway Volvo B7RLES AE09 GYS and AE09 GZA have now left Fenstaton and have been transfered to Cambridge. Both Buses have been seen operating in service today.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2016, 09:33:32 AM »
The Last two EX busway Volvo B7RLES AE09 GYS and AE09 GZA have now left Fenstaton and have been transfered to Cambridge. Both Buses have been seen operating in service today.

I assume that this will allow a further two MANs to be prepared for transfer to Manchester - the plan was for 11 with eight already moved from Cambridge and one from Peterborough.

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2016, 02:20:55 PM »
Former Busway 15460 working 13's today.

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2016, 05:20:16 PM »
(Unknown green and blue liveried) EX busway Volvo B7RLE working the City 3 to Fulbourn at Cambridge Rail Station this morning

(Unknown green and blue liveried) EX busway Volvo B7RLE working the City 1 to Fulbourn seen on Kings Hedges Road this afternoon

(AE09 GZA) EX busway Volvo B7RLE working the City 3 to Whitehill Estate in Cambridge City Center this afternoon

(Unknown Greener smarter travel liveried) EX busway Enviro 400/Scania working the City 1 to Fulbourn this morning at Cambridge Rail Station

(Unknown Greener smarter travel liveried) EX busway Enviro 400/Scania working the City 3 to Fison Road this afternoon

(AE12 CJV) Busway Volvo B7RLE working the City 5 to Cambridge/Barhill this afternoon seen in Cambridge City Center
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2016, 06:35:53 PM »
Forgot to mention, saw a white coach in Norfolk Green markings on Barnwell Road, Cambridge, on driver training duties at around 10:15 a.m. on Tuesday.
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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2016, 07:51:30 PM »
Forgot to mention, saw a white coach in Norfolk Green markings on Barnwell Road, Cambridge, on driver training duties at around 10:15 a.m. on Tuesday.
Yeah, correct. That's 52647 T667XTV. It was floating around Cambridge yesterday. Not sure if its being used by Cambriodge, or its a Kings Lynn trainee receiving some "local" road knowledge, as they'll be taking their Test here in Cambridge.

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Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2016
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2016, 10:03:49 PM »
Yeah, correct. That's 52647 T667XTV. It was floating around Cambridge yesterday. Not sure if its being used by Cambriodge, or its a Kings Lynn trainee receiving some "local" road knowledge, as they'll be taking their Test here in Cambridge.

Is that the Dart or is it the Coach, NG has two white buses