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Skegness 2019
« on: June 18, 2019, 10:29:02 PM »
Is the usual Saturday service from Peterborough to Skegness happening this year, of so what date does it run from

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 10:52:30 PM »
it starts end of July but not sure when it starts plus i know some of my mates in Peterborough knows more then i do as i'm an hour away from there plus it be on stagecoach website within next 4 weeks or so or less   
this photo is a 53 reg Trident what I'm on and its 18058 yes it is Chris johnson

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 11:29:54 AM »
PF0000459/252   CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
    From: Peterborough
To: Boston
Via:
Name or No.: X12 / X12
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 27 July 2019
End date: 26 August 2019
Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday & Bank Holidays
   
PF0000459/253   CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
    From: Boston
To: Skegness
Via:
Name or No.: X12A / X12
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 27 July 2019
End date: 26 August 2019
Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday and Bank Holidays

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2019, 02:26:12 AM »
PF0000459/252   CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
    From: Peterborough
To: Boston
Via:
Name or No.: X12 / X12
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 27 July 2019
End date: 26 August 2019
Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday & Bank Holidays
   
PF0000459/253   CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
    From: Boston
To: Skegness
Via:
Name or No.: X12A / X12
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 27 July 2019
End date: 26 August 2019
Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday and Bank Holidays

First day 10869 YX67 VDE went Skegness half a bus load.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2019, 06:29:38 AM by AE51VFX (Jonny) »
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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2019, 04:06:41 PM »
Whats the timings on this and the fare

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2019, 04:56:28 PM »
Whats the timings on this and the fare

Timing and fares on the photo of the poster.
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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2019, 07:44:20 PM »
See its being run on a Sunday this year as well

Previous years its been a Saturday only and Bank Holiday

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2019, 10:03:01 PM »
See its being run on a Sunday this year as well

Previous years its been a Saturday only and Bank Holiday

No has always been a Saturday and Sunday plus Bank Holiday.
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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2019, 11:12:45 AM »
Am I reading that Poster right.....No ENCS free travel , But £9 a ticket .

Will be worth a punt a that price .
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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2019, 02:24:39 PM »
Am I reading that Poster right.....No ENCS free travel , But £9 a ticket .

Will be worth a punt a that price .

If its a scheduled stage carriage service (as it appears to be, the X12) then pensioner free bus passes should be valid
https://bustimes.org/services/x12-peterborough-skegness
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 02:29:14 PM by John Wakefield »

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2019, 03:38:52 PM »
If its a scheduled stage carriage service (as it appears to be, the X12) then pensioner free bus passes should be valid
https://bustimes.org/services/x12-peterborough-skegness
I thought that but then I started wondering what else could a concession ticket be?

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2019, 04:09:58 PM »
Previous years they havent accepted bus passes on this service, same again this year hence the £9

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2019, 04:15:22 PM »
I cant see that Stagecoach can refuse pensioner passes, this is their statement https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/national/concessionary-travel

Where you can use your pass
You can travel for free anywhere in England, including London on local bus services.
It’s not valid for journeys within Scotland or Wales.
Free travel is not available on tourist buses or coach services like megabus.com and National Express.


As its not a megabus or National Express service it should fall within the scope of the pass.

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2019, 05:52:41 PM »
As its not a megabus or National Express service it should fall within the scope of the pass.

Councils don't have to reimburse certain services:

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- Services that are intended to run for a period of less than 6 consecutive weeks
- Services operated primarily for the purposes of tourism or because of the historical interest of the vehicle
(https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3621/travelconcession.pdf)

So I'm assuming that's the case here, although the Stagecoach website is a bit unclear/misleading

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2019, 06:23:18 PM »
Looks like Stagecoach are trying it on, maybe the TCA would take a different view. To be exempt from bus pass ruling it would need to be run as an excursion with limited pick up points, Clearly this is timetabled as a stage carriage service, would be interesting to hear of anyone who has their pass refused.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2019, 06:25:07 PM by John Wakefield »

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2019, 06:54:18 PM »
I presume the reason they refuse concessionary passes is that the reimbursement level wouldn't be sufficient?

£9 for the journey seems like a fair deal, especially if you factor in the cost by train...

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2019, 08:06:15 PM »
It would come under exemption ie  Services that are intended to run for a period of less than 6 consecutive weeks

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2019, 10:36:43 AM »
I cant see that Stagecoach can refuse pensioner passes, this is their statement https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/national/concessionary-travel

Where you can use your pass
You can travel for free anywhere in England, including London on local bus services.
It’s not valid for journeys within Scotland or Wales.
Free travel is not available on tourist buses or coach services like megabus.com and National Express.


As its not a megabus or National Express service it should fall within the scope of the pass.
I phoned their office this morning and they confirmed that this is not the case, they do not accept passes for free travel but instead offer the £9 concessionary ticket to pass carriers.

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2019, 08:03:53 PM »
Speaking as a 70 year old with an ENCS pass ...... Still worth a punt  for £9 to Skeggy for the day . Plus Fish & Chips , you will get change out of £20 .

Bargain !
« Last Edit: August 01, 2019, 09:08:48 PM by AndrewHA »
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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2019, 08:46:21 AM »
Looks like Stagecoach are trying it on, maybe the TCA would take a different view. To be exempt from bus pass ruling it would need to be run as an excursion with limited pick up points, Clearly this is timetabled as a stage carriage service, would be interesting to hear of anyone who has their pass refused.
It is not within the power of the operator to decide whether they do or don't accept ENCTS on any specific service, it is entirely the decision of the councils.  There are a number of criteria that the councils can use to remove a service from the scheme, including that it is a seasonal service (as this is), but not all councils will apply in the same way (there have been instances where the council at one end removed the service from their scheme whilst the one at the other end didn't which just confuses everyone).  In these cash strapped times it is unsurprising that the councils have removed such a service designed for leisure purposes with a very high average fare (that will also have the effect of unbalancing the average fare for that operator more generally) from their scheme if they can.

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2019, 09:37:37 AM »
Speaking as a 70 year old with an ENCS pass ...... Still worth a punt  for £9 to Seggy for the day . Plus Fish & Chips , you will get change out of £20 .

Bargain !

I would agree, but this is a 55 mile journey on a BUS, the fares being charged are more in line with a day excursion on a COACH. So maybe not the bargain it would first appear.

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2019, 09:49:11 AM »
I would agree, but this is a 55 mile journey on a BUS, the fares being charged are more in line with a day excursion on a COACH. So maybe not the bargain it would first appear.
Especially as it appears to be one single fare no matter where you board. Which in it's own right seems wrong personally.

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2019, 06:10:24 PM »
Especially as it appears to be one single fare no matter where you board. Which in it's own right seems wrong personally.

Seems reasonable up until Spalding at least

Brylaine charge £6.90 return and that only gets you as far as Boston

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2019, 06:16:54 PM »
The six month rule would definitely apply to this service.  Irrespective of the publicity, the registration is for about 5 weeks.

The former Whippet coastal services looked to be especially tailored to ENCTS although the operation was much more like an excursion.  The fares were also very high  - it was cheaper to travel by train.

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2019, 07:11:56 PM »
Looks like a bargain to me.
It takes about the same amount of time as the train (leaves 0955 and gets there 1150, with a change at Grantham) but the rail fare is £32.20 (£21.25 with a railcard/ £16.10 child).  Plus coming home you have to wait until 1915.
Lets all get behind this summer service and encourage it to thrive- as AndrewHA said you get a day out and fish &chips for less than £20!

Yes its 55 miles on a bus taking 2 hours, so its very similar to Busway B which takes 2h13 for a similar distance, which is £7.00

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2019, 10:04:42 PM »
Looks like a bargain to me.
It takes about the same amount of time as the train (leaves 0955 and gets there 1150, with a change at Grantham) but the rail fare is £32.20 (£21.25 with a railcard/ £16.10 child).  Plus coming home you have to wait until 1915.
Lets all get behind this summer service and encourage it to thrive- as AndrewHA said you get a day out and fish &chips for less than £20!

Yes its 55 miles on a bus taking 2 hours, so its very similar to Busway B which takes 2h13 for a similar distance, which is £7.00

What do you mean wait until 19:15

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Re: Skegness 2019
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 01:30:32 PM »
Fairs seem reasonable given the non-routine nature of the service and the disproportionate effort that running this service will take compared to a regular service where the driver will be kept busy all day!

Certainly far more reasonable than Whippet's fares for equivalent services were - something that really annoyed me as the services were effectively off-limits to people that didn't have a concession pass.