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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2019, 08:08:40 AM »
I'm a fan of the map that the folk at SmartCambridge have come up with:
https://smartcambridge.org/transport/map/#
It does cover Bedford as well, although I believe Milton Keynes is the limit of its western coverage.

Hover over a bus icon for basic info. Click on it for more detail. Doesn't offer vehicle registration number, just fleet.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #121 on: April 25, 2019, 01:18:29 PM »
https://bustimes.org/vehicles#10/57.0183/-4.6884

I think this is what MIB is referring to. That’s the site I’ve been using anyway.

Yes that is it but Inverness is very disappointing as only seems to monitor route 3.

Today we appear to have lost three tridents with only 18419 visible on a 1. As only four vehicles are showing up on route 1, I would suspect one of the missing tridents is the fifth vehicle. 18104 appears to be heading to Bedford to form the 1332 50 and it appears that 11134 did the 0832 50, 18101 the 0932 50 and 11127 the 1232 50. 34421 is on route 41 and 34422 on route 7. It doesn't look like W7 vehicles get picked up either as I was looking at 37060 on Tuesday evening but it wasn't showing up in River St.

Hopefully I have just witnessed a glitch in the system as 27642 is showing up in Church Arcade on a 41. Could be messy if a reality...

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #122 on: April 25, 2019, 06:18:25 PM »
The bus tracker site is showing a few more route around the Inverness area tonight. The site is still apparently a work in progress. There must be a hell of a lot of work involved to cover the whole country. Big thumbs up to whoever is runnin/ made the site.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #123 on: April 29, 2019, 01:22:33 PM »
I can only pick up route 5 for Inverness at present so I can't follow 18337 but it did the 1215 26 to Fortrose. Cumbria is still a wilderness as well so that will be fascinating once populated.

Our own 18336 is currently on a 2 from Flitwick and 18104 is heading this way presumably for the 1332 50. 18419 and 18424 are both on 1's so the only one I still can't locate is 18423. 35179 did the 1232 50 following on from 39682 and 39687 this morning. I see 19698 and 19703  are both on the Cambridge X5's today.

This morning I returned for the 0839 after a period of doing the 0854 and nothing has changed. The 9B from Hitchin was 15 minutes late and the convoy of three buses approached at the same time and all stopped for a change. 19704 was on the 81 and 27523 on the 9 so I did the middle bus 19888 on the 9B. Curiously 19889 was my bus to work on the 0911 6 which left 7 minutes late owing to the time it took for a driver to board it.

It is disappointing to note that it appears the drivers are now using the temporary stop in Manton Lane to drop people off before 0930 rather than the actual stop. I had been assured that the temporary stop was only during the working period 0930-1530 but all the drivers I have spoken too have not been told this so they are missing out the normal stop before 0930 even though they can still use it up to that time. How can it be that customers like me are given different info to the bus drivers?

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #124 on: April 29, 2019, 02:18:15 PM »
Yes that is it but Inverness is very disappointing as only seems to monitor route 3.

A number of routes, including all of Inverness, only track when someone is viewing the map and timetable page for that route.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #125 on: April 29, 2019, 05:44:27 PM »
Ex London short Enviro 200 36301 (LX56DZU) has entered service today and was on the 53. It has had flipdot blinds from one of the scrapped 53 plate Darts installed. They had better blinds from the withdrawn Solo's to pinch so I'm surprised they picked those
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #126 on: April 30, 2019, 05:12:41 PM »
A number of routes, including all of Inverness, only track when someone is viewing the map and timetable page for that route.

I think you will need to type that a bit slower for me to understand at my age as I'm not with you.  ::) I know that 18091 and 18339 were both on route 28 Inverness to Dingwall today but I have not been able to manage to get that route or vehicles visible on the map.

I might have found 18423 as there was a trident half in and out of the garage this morning round the back as it is still not on the tracker. It did look as though the system had a fault this morning as 19705 was showing on an X5 and 18424 on a 1, but both vehicles were heading south on Paula Radcliffe Way towards Clapham which is some diversion!

On my way home yesterday I had 18101 required for the year on the 50, only 20 late, and 19890 on the 1830 81. This meant I had 19888-890 in that order for the day. 18424 had been ripped from the 1 and was on 6's. 19699 did an X5 to Cambridge whilst 19698 did the 1740 X5 short to MK.

Like yesterday my bus into town today on the 9 was 19888 but I did reel in winner 11132 on the 0932 50 to get to work. Another winner on view was 36302 on a 1. I think I prefer the tridents to be honest such as 18419 and 18336 also on the 1 route.
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #127 on: May 02, 2019, 02:02:38 PM »
I managed to find 53105 heading towards Inverness on a 61 on Tuesday so it hasn't copped it yet and today I have located three tridents on route 4 around Inverness, these being 18018, 18346 and 18449 but still no joy in getting the Dingwall routes picked up on the map. I will just have to be patient.

18423 has now reappeared on the tracker and is on route 1 today alongside 18336 but now 18419 has sunk without trace. This suggests not enough monitors to go around and the tridents are taking it in turns not to be tracked. 18424 is currently making its way to Bedford on an 81. Likewise 19703 is merrily making its way from Cambridge on an X5.

I viewed 19702 on an X5 blinded for MK going home on Tuesday whilst waiting for the 1810 9A which was a very disappointing 27646. 18104 was on the 1810 50 an hour behind 18101 with 37072 performing on a W7.

This morning my 9B into town was running 15 minutes late with 19700 as per normal so I jumped on 34831 on the 9 that was meant to be 15 minutes behind 19700. Alas a nasty greeting for me at the bus station with 48024 on a 6. It has been noticeable that since the demise of the 47xxx solos we have been spared these mini buses turning up on the 6 and 9 but here was a reminder we are never far from being bowled out by one of these crates producing. I was so appalled I did 35221 on the 0932 50 instead. Incidentally 39687 was again on the 0832 50.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 02:06:16 PM by MIB »

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #128 on: May 02, 2019, 05:14:37 PM »
...This suggests not enough monitors to go around and the tridents are taking it in turns not to be tracked...

Please explain: I thought all the tracking was through the VIX ticket machines. What haven't I understood?
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #129 on: May 02, 2019, 07:19:39 PM »
Please explain: I thought all the tracking was through the VIX ticket machines. What haven't I understood?

I think you're correct.

It's a slightly odd coincidence that 18423 stopped tracking at 09:39 and 18419 started tracking at 09:40. This is idle speculation, but it's possible that there's an arbitrary limit to the number of vehicles one of the computer systems involved can handle at once.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #130 on: May 03, 2019, 10:41:36 AM »
Please explain: I thought all the tracking was through the VIX ticket machines. What haven't I understood?

As I understand the vehicle tracking is through the VIX ticket machine and there is no limit to the number of vehicles on the database. VIX as I understand it will track the vehicle and generally show the route its is on based on the journey code input. However, as I understand it  the VIX system also has to 'talk' to the Traveline timetable database to enable it them provide full real time timetable service information.

I recently looked at the Smart Cambridge SmartPanel based on the map for Central Peterborough. The vehicles show on the map but bus stop and journey tracking does not. This I was told was because the timetable data for Peterborough is part of Traveline East Midlands area and has not been input into the SmartCambridge system, whereas that for Cambridge (which is in the East Anglia area) has. What I think I am trying to say, in a long winded way, is that it is not just one standalone system that provides the tracking information it needs data from two separate sources. That means different tracking sites need to pull the feeds separately and combine them to provide their own feeds. Where tracking details look odd it may be a case that the a particular site is not using the latest data. This can be a problem, I understand, when vehicles are transferred.

I think I am correct on the above but if anyone has a different explation I stand corrected.


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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #131 on: May 03, 2019, 03:39:26 PM »
Thanks for these explanations it just seems curious that I can no longer track all four Bedford tridents. Same story today with 18336 on the 5, 18419 on a 81 and 18424 on a 9A but 18423 is off the radar again. What is exciting is that 18336 on a 5 is currently showing passing 19698 on an X5 but not down Goldington Road. Apparently both buses are in Sharnbrook so I don't know how that can be explained.   8)

To be fair I have yet to pick up the two new arrivals on the system and on my way home from work yesterday I had no bus showing up at all but that didn't prevent 36936 arriving on time at 1758 at my stop. Also not around was 18419 which was on the 1815 51 but not showing on the system. 19108 was recorded on the 1810 50 as was 35177 on an earlier 50. The last W7 of the day produced 28623 but I had to settle for a soggy 19893 on the 1810 9A. Try avoiding sitting in the upper deck above the door front seat as there was a constant drip from the ceiling.

This morning I had 19701 on the 9B into town and 34424 on the 6 to work. Dud gold bus 11132 was on the 0832 50 with 18104 an hour behind it. This afternoon 35225 has also made an appearance on the 50. It is all very different to the days of four diagrams with more variety now. 19888 is out on the Cambridge section of the X5.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #132 on: May 07, 2019, 02:06:28 PM »
36937 was working the 1300 departure from Milton Keynes on the 99 to Luton Airport this afternoon.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2019, 04:15:32 PM »
I made a quick visit into town on Saturday on 18419 on the 9A and returned home with 19701 on an 81. I did note 36301 on a 7 with 34833 whilst 18101, 15401 and 15404 all appeared on 50's.

Back to work today on 19893 on the 17 late 9B followed by 36936 on the 9 but not showing on the radar. 18423 is still missing in action whilst 19889 was showing on an X5. 18336, 18424 and 36302 were all performing on the 1 with 18108 and 19108 on 50's and 18419 on a 9A.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #134 on: May 07, 2019, 05:33:02 PM »
I made a quick visit into town on Saturday on 18419 on the 9A and returned home with 19701 on an 81. I did note 36301 on a 7 with 34833 whilst 18101, 15401 and 15404 all appeared on 50's.

Back to work today on 19893 on the 17 late 9B followed by 36936 on the 9 but not showing on the radar. 18423 is still missing in action whilst 19889 was showing on an X5. 18336, 18424 and 36302 were all performing on the 1 with 18108 and 19108 on 50's and 18419 on a 9A.

They really need to keep 36301/02 off the 1 .They're too small for the route. Being short wheelbase Enviro 200's they're barely bigger than a Solo on a route which is meant to be double deck!
They'd be better off being sent to Fenstanton in exchange for 2 Darts

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #135 on: May 07, 2019, 07:57:06 PM »
They really need to keep 36301/02 off the 1 .They're too small for the route. Being short wheelbase Enviro 200's they're barely bigger than a Solo on a route which is meant to be double deck!
They'd be better off being sent to Fenstanton in exchange for 2 Darts

Perhaps we could borrow a few for the GTR-funded shuttle services during the closure of Mill Road Railway Bridge.
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #136 on: May 07, 2019, 09:33:40 PM »
Perhaps we could borrow a few for the GTR-funded shuttle services during the closure of Mill Road Railway Bridge.

36301/02 are extra vehicles whilst bromham road railway bridge is rebuilt. So maybe their next destination will be Cambridge for that purpose

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #137 on: May 09, 2019, 02:27:30 PM »
The last of the withdrawn Bedford vehicles - 47435-42 have all been sold to Ensign Bus. Initially owned by Bedfordshire Country Council they were subsequently transferred to Stagecoach.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #138 on: May 09, 2019, 04:25:53 PM »
I was working from home on Wednesday but I still had to venture out in the downpour for an expensive visit to the dentist. I hadn't realised I had gone private such were the charges. Rip off Britain is getting worse. My buses for the bad news were 19892 on the 9A and 19704 on an 81.

Wounded by the experience of yesterday, the bus tracker revealed that 18423 was running 18 late on the 9A this morning so I decided to stay at home and venture out for it when it was one road away. However, I was duped as the trident was still showing as being in Harrowden Road five minutes after entering the road. So I sauntered out only to be confronted by 18423 and 27642 on the 9 sailing past the bottom of my road despite the tracker showing both to be approaching Mile Road. I was not happy by this deception as clearly the tracker had stopped updating their movements so I had to walk into town. The whole point of this toy is that I can time when to set off to the bus stop but clearly it was malfunctioning which was confirmed later.

At work I found all four tridents for a change with 18336 and 18419 on 1's, 18424 on a 73 and 18423 on 9A's. 15404 was picked up on the 0932 50 but still no trace of the shrimps 36301 and 36302 on the system. I went into the tracker this afternoon for an update and before my very eyes, every single bus that was on screen disappeared at the same time. It was like what must have happened to the dinosaurs where they all vanished together. Perhaps Stagecoach have developed a Klingon cloaking device or the system has just given up the ghost. I thought it was on the blink this morning with duff info which included an 81 in Milton Ernest!

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #139 on: May 10, 2019, 12:07:41 PM »
My bus from the office on the 6 yesterday was 18424 but thanks to the radar losing all contact with the outside world I had to guess when it was coming rather than time an interception. We passed 36301 on a 10 before I did 27521 home on the 1810 9A whilst 37061 was parked up in River St.

Thankfully the tracker was back this morning so I could monitor when to leave home and this time the buses were in the right locations albeit I was forced to do 27644 on the 9 because 19704 on the 15 late 9A opted not to stop on seeing the crowd getting on 27644. Today's lost trident on the system is 18419 which I could not find anywhere but 18423 was on an inbound 73 and 18336/18424 on 1's. Corby Star 15404 was on the 0932 50 so I did that to work as a once only bus. 18108 was on the inbound 50 to form the 1032 and I am currently missing winner 11136 which will form the 1232 50.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2019, 01:44:17 PM »
I had a lazy day on Saturday so I ventured into town in the afternoon on 19701 on a 9B hoping to scratch in winners 36301 and 36302. This proved to be a misguided decision only suitable for timewasting as 36301 had been on the 6's but got ripped on my arrival and just sat parked up for an hour. 36302 was also in situ on my arrival and headed off not in service presumably to the garage so I timed that well. Noted during my hour of inactivity were 18424 on the 1615 81, 18336 on the 1639 2 to Flitwick and 15405 on the 1712 50. Laughably 48031 was on 1's but the error of their ways was realised when it got ripped. 18419 was on 5's and 36935 did a 10. Apparently 27520 was on a 99.

As it happens this morning I did 19888 on the 9B into town and the 0923 6 produced winner 36302 anyway so it was reeled in to the office. I notice it has no posters inside so is a free agent. Why does the interior remind me of those heaps 34097 and 34098 we used to have? 18419 and 18424 are both on 1's whilst 18101 and 15403 have performed on 50's. A scan of the radar shows 36935 and 36937 enjoying themselves on the 99 route whilst 53616 is on 81's. It also appeared that the 1210 X5 from Cambridge was 19701. No idea where 36301 is as the new recruits have not featured on the tracker since arriving.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #141 on: May 13, 2019, 10:47:25 PM »
I had a lazy day on Saturday so I ventured into town in the afternoon on 19701 on a 9B hoping to scratch in winners 36301 and 36302. This proved to be a misguided decision only suitable for timewasting as 36301 had been on the 6's but got ripped on my arrival and just sat parked up for an hour. 36302 was also in situ on my arrival and headed off not in service presumably to the garage so I timed that well. Noted during my hour of inactivity were 18424 on the 1615 81, 18336 on the 1639 2 to Flitwick and 15405 on the 1712 50. Laughably 48031 was on 1's but the error of their ways was realised when it got ripped. 18419 was on 5's and 36935 did a 10. Apparently 27520 was on a 99.

As it happens this morning I did 19888 on the 9B into town and the 0923 6 produced winner 36302 anyway so it was reeled in to the office. I notice it has no posters inside so is a free agent. Why does the interior remind me of those heaps 34097 and 34098 we used to have? 18419 and 18424 are both on 1's whilst 18101 and 15403 have performed on 50's. A scan of the radar shows 36935 and 36937 enjoying themselves on the 99 route whilst 53616 is on 81's. It also appeared that the 1210 X5 from Cambridge was 19701. No idea where 36301 is as the new recruits have not featured on the tracker since arriving.

36301/02 are the same size as 34097/98 were. They're not much bigger than a Solo and not big enough for the busier town routes.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #142 on: May 13, 2019, 11:25:44 PM »
Has something happened to 48036 or have I completely missed it for a good month or two now?
Anybody any idea whether any of the omnicity’s from London will be inherited by Bedford?

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #143 on: May 13, 2019, 11:37:47 PM »
Has something happened to 48036 or have I completely missed it for a good month or two now?
Anybody any idea whether any of the omnicity’s from London will be inherited by Bedford?

The ex London Scania's are going to Cambridge. Bedford can't have ex London deckers as they're too tall for some of the routes. When 17484 was on loan last year it was confined to town routes due to its height.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #144 on: May 14, 2019, 12:05:34 PM »
They aren’t particularly old but aren’t they too old for Cambridge? Also to be pretty honest, since the change to the 9’s happened, they need deckers for town routes anyway- route 1 on some days is lucky to see a decker, 9’s need them also 5 could do with them at peaks. Would help keep the likes of 36301/36302 off the 1’s surely? Apart from 81 none of the routes further than town really need a decker

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #145 on: May 14, 2019, 03:05:34 PM »
They aren’t particularly old but aren’t they too old for Cambridge? Also to be pretty honest, since the change to the 9’s happened, they need deckers for town routes anyway- route 1 on some days is lucky to see a decker, 9’s need them also 5 could do with them at peaks. Would help keep the likes of 36301/36302 off the 1’s surely? Apart from 81 none of the routes further than town really need a decker

What's the first-registered date of the ex-London Scania vehicles?
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #146 on: May 14, 2019, 03:17:07 PM »
What's the first-registered date of the ex-London Scania vehicles?

They're all 09 plates

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #147 on: May 14, 2019, 05:40:49 PM »
They're all 09 plates

Looking at Stagecoach East vehicles and allocations May 2019, Uploaded by Steven Knight Media, I'm inclined to agree with Tom's earlier comment.

They aren’t particularly old but aren’t they too old for Cambridge?
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #148 on: May 14, 2019, 06:01:59 PM »
Looking at Stagecoach East vehicles and allocations May 2019, Uploaded by Steven Knight Media, I'm inclined to agree with Tom's earlier comment.

I would say they're too old for any Stagecoach East depot and would've had a hard life in London making them potentially in worse condition than what they might replace

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2019
« Reply #149 on: May 14, 2019, 07:02:37 PM »
A little update on missing vehicles. Enviro 200 36934 (SN63KFO) is still impounded at Buckdale it's parked in a corner and you can only see it when there's not many lorries parked in the way and only from the platform of Bedford St Johns Station. This one has now been off the road since late 2017!

Optare Solo SR 48036 (YJ66ASZ) is off the road and awaiting work for it's MOT which ran out on 18th April