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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2019, 01:24:28 PM »
Although I don't think there was anything in TCD813's reply of which I wasn't aware, thanks anyway for the information.

The problem here definitely lies within Stagecoach, but I was trying to see if anyone with greater knowledge of signing on procedures, or the onboard IT, or other Stagecoach-related stuff, might be able to identify the source of the problem. The data Stagecoach is pumping out for at least some of the runs operated by the vehicles in my earlier message (and possibly other vehicles, but definitely NOT all runs operated by these buses) is for Peterborough routes 5 and 6. When that's the case, there's no real-time data available, and the displays (and the apps) revert to "scheduled" times.

Personally, I use either the Traveline app or the UK Bus Checker. At home, with laptop to hand, I use SmartCambridge web stuff, either the Bus Map, or my own implementation of their SmartPanel (which I would highly recommend).

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2019, 05:19:27 PM »
I'm hoping there's someone on this Forum with the relevant background to explain what's going on here...

In the past 24 hours, I've observed 5 Fenstanston vehicles - 10052/3/4 and 19693/4 - running around with Peterborough services 5 and 6 data rather than Cambridge Citi 5 and 6. There are at least 3 out there on the road as I type this. What I mean is that the data they transmit  - and which is used for real-time tracking/display purposes - says that they're on Pboro trips rather than Cambridge ones. As a consequence there's no real-time data available for the trips they're actually operating.

Is this simply "driver error" - for example, a driver selecting the wrong 5 and 6 journeys off a menu display? Or do these vehicles not even have the Cambridge trips in their computers? Given the vehicle numbers above, could this be related to a transfer/relocation of Peterborough vehicles to Fenstanton? And, finally, how the **** does one get this corrected? Whilst I can "see" the services operating on a map, it's a right pain not to have the real-time showing up in apps (timekeeping on the 5, in particular, has been especially poor in recent weeks).

Thanks.
The local RTPI system, run by contractors, Vix Technology, supplies bus time information for a consortium of local authorities – Cambridgeshire County Council, Bedford Borough Council, Central Bedfordshire Council, Luton Borough Council, Northamptonshire County Council and Peterborough City Council. It is dependent upon information supplied from private bus operators, the largest of which, hereabouts, is Stagecoach East.

Take a look at this update on the Cambridge Area Bus Users website.

Incidentally, which app are you using? The one linked to Vix is 'MyBusTrip' available on Google Play and the Apple App Store.
Although I don't think there was anything in TCD813's reply of which I wasn't aware, thanks anyway for the information.

The problem here definitely lies within Stagecoach, but I was trying to see if anyone with greater knowledge of signing on procedures, or the onboard IT, or other Stagecoach-related stuff, might be able to identify the source of the problem. The data Stagecoach is pumping out for at least some of the runs operated by the vehicles in my earlier message (and possibly other vehicles, but definitely NOT all runs operated by these buses) is for Peterborough routes 5 and 6. When that's the case, there's no real-time data available, and the displays (and the apps) revert to "scheduled" times.

Personally, I use either the Traveline app or the UK Bus Checker. At home, with laptop to hand, I use SmartCambridge web stuff, either the Bus Map, or my own implementation of their SmartPanel (which I would highly recommend).

Stagecoach East's MD, Michelle Hargreaves, has tweeted:
Quote from: @tezshell
I’ll chase where we are with VIX’s Monday

In response, Cambridge Area Bus Users has alerted Michelle to your observation about the Peterborough/Cambridge mix-up.

Cambridge City Cllr Mike Sargeant, has been pursuing defective RTPI for some considerable time, with Vix, with Stagecoach and with the Cambridgeshire County Council RTPI team.
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2019, 09:52:35 PM »
Stagecoach East's MD, Michelle Hargreaves, has tweeted:
In response, Cambridge Area Bus Users has alerted Michelle to your observation about the Peterborough/Cambridge mix-up.

Cambridge City Cllr Mike Sargeant, has been pursuing defective RTPI for some considerable time, with Vix, with Stagecoach and with the Cambridgeshire County Council RTPI team.

These are ex Norfolk Green deckers so would have Peterborough details

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2019, 10:45:19 PM »
Hopefully 10055 will now show it's the only one not online at mo.
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #94 on: April 18, 2019, 12:07:27 AM »
The ex west scanias don't even show at all.......

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2019, 03:55:30 PM »
Hi all

27845 on citi 8
15640 on Newmarket routes 11/12
15641 on Ely 9s
19164 parked up the yard ready for tomorrow service
15642 parked up the yard ready for tomorrow service
Mx68 zlz parked up the yard front of work shop bays
this photo is a 53 reg Trident what I'm on and its 18058 yes it is Chris johnson

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2019, 04:08:53 PM »
Hopefully 10055 will now show it's the only one not online at mo.

At 16.00 today (Sat, 20/4) 10052/3/5 were all out and about on Cambridge Citi 4 services - but with all three pumping out metadata that reported them operating in Peterborough.

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2019, 04:19:25 PM »
SF10 CCY now at Tesco in Ely on 9 going to RAF Hospital

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #98 on: April 20, 2019, 09:49:13 PM »
Evening all,

Also out today was ex West Scania 15643 , SF 10CDE,  seen coming into Cambridge on the 9 this morning.  Hadn't seen this one in service until now, looks very smart. 

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #99 on: April 20, 2019, 10:41:36 PM »
Could it be that these SF10 reg Enviro 400s are now working out of Ely

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #100 on: April 20, 2019, 11:40:08 PM »
15639 not on the road yet it might be the new pink bus
this photo is a 53 reg Trident what I'm on and its 18058 yes it is Chris johnson

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #101 on: April 21, 2019, 12:48:04 AM »
Are the SF10 Scania's replacements for Tridents 18411-15 or will something else be moving out of Cambridge?

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #102 on: April 21, 2019, 06:56:53 AM »
Are the SF10 Scania's replacements for Tridents 18411-15 or will something else be moving out of Cambridge?

As far as i know they are part of the cover for the buses that have gone to Peterborough and Long Sutton......

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #103 on: April 21, 2019, 10:16:42 AM »
As far as i know they are part of the cover for the buses that have gone to Peterborough and Long Sutton......

The ex Sc West Scania are replacements for the Tridents that moved over to Cambridge from Fenstanton. The eight buses that went to Long Sutton from Cambridge were replaced on a one-for-one basis with 10052-55 and 19693-96.

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #104 on: April 21, 2019, 11:28:28 AM »
The ex Sc West Scania are replacements for the Tridents that moved over to Cambridge from Fenstanton. The eight buses that went to Long Sutton from Cambridge were replaced on a one-for-one basis with 10052-55 and 19693-96.

Where will the Tridents be heading when they leave Cambridge? They have a couple of years service left in them yet so I doubt they'll get sold off. The AE06G** batch seem in better condition than the AE55D** batch of Tridents

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #105 on: April 21, 2019, 02:11:38 PM »
Sold on to dealers I expect with many ending up with independent operators for school contract work

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2019, 03:33:34 PM »
A few of the 55 plate tridents have moved to Inverness
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2019, 04:38:46 PM »
A few of the 55 plate tridents have moved to Inverness

Is that with Stagecoach

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2019, 04:41:04 PM »
Where will the Tridents be heading when they leave Cambridge? They have a couple of years service left in them yet so I doubt they'll get sold off. The AE06G** batch seem in better condition than the AE55D** batch of Tridents

Am I right in thinking the AE55 batch were Ely buses which then moved to Norfolk Green whilst the AE06 batch are Peterborough buses

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2019, 05:24:27 PM »
Am I right in thinking the AE55 batch were Ely buses which then moved to Norfolk Green whilst the AE06 batch are Peterborough buses

The AE55 batch were new to Cambridge for the Citi 1 then went onto the 13 when the Gold spec Scania's arrived. Then onto Ely services. Then some of the batch were moved to Norfolk when ex busway Scania's arrived at Cambridge.Then to Long Sutton when Kings Lynn closed. Some of the batch are now in Scotland

The AE06 batch were new to Peterborough but only 18420/21 have been there all their lives. The rest of the batch were split between Bedford and Cambridge when the Enviro 400's 19693-706 arrived. With 18411-416 moving on Fenstanton and Cambridge when Bedford received Enviro 400's 19888-93.

The current allocation of the AE06 batch is 18419/23/24 at Bedford, 18411-15 at Cambridge, 18416 and 18418 at Long Sutton and 18420-22 at Peterborough. 18417 Went for scrap recently after it blew its engine.


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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #110 on: April 21, 2019, 10:25:02 PM »
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #111 on: April 22, 2019, 01:31:54 PM »
The AE55 batch were new to Cambridge for the Citi 1 then went onto the 13 when the Gold spec Scania's arrived. Then onto Ely services. Then some of the batch were moved to Norfolk when ex busway Scania's arrived at Cambridge.Then to Long Sutton when Kings Lynn closed. Some of the batch are now in Scotland

The AE06 batch were new to Peterborough but only 18420/21 have been there all their lives. The rest of the batch were split between Bedford and Cambridge when the Enviro 400's 19693-706 arrived. With 18411-416 moving on Fenstanton and Cambridge when Bedford received Enviro 400's 19888-93.

A question, where is 19697 now? (I've noted 693-6 at Cambridge, and 702-6 at least at Bedford appearing often on the X5...)

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #112 on: April 22, 2019, 01:59:43 PM »
It was last seen in Peterborough last week working a Spalding
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #113 on: April 22, 2019, 02:23:55 PM »
A question, where is 19697 now? (I've noted 693-6 at Cambridge, and 702-6 at least at Bedford appearing often on the X5...)
According to Steven Knight Media. 19697 is now officially at Peterborough. Bedford have 19698-706
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #115 on: April 24, 2019, 10:00:04 AM »
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-updates/serviceupdatesarticle?SituationId=ID-23/04/2019-15:41:30:717

A word of warning for those who rely on apps/trackers - the new Papworth Hospital stop doesn't appear on either OpenStreetMap or Google Maps. Or on Vix. Indeed, the new road on which it's positioned doesn't appear anywhere. So I suspect it's impossible to search for in any app. And to make matters worse, Google is still routing the A and D via Mary Archer Way, which means that it's sending/leading folk to the "wrong" stop at the Rosie.

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #116 on: April 24, 2019, 12:18:08 PM »
A word of warning for those who rely on apps/trackers - the new Papworth Hospital stop doesn't appear on either OpenStreetMap or Google Maps. Or on Vix. Indeed, the new road on which it's positioned doesn't appear anywhere. So I suspect it's impossible to search for in any app. And to make matters worse, Google is still routing the A and D via Mary Archer Way, which means that it's sending/leading folk to the "wrong" stop at the Rosie.

Thanks, Hugh. I'll raise this with Zaneta & Richard from the Cambridgeshire County Council RTPI team and Cc a couple of local councillors who are hot on this issue.

Quote from: Cambridge Area Bus Users Secretary
Good afternoon, Zaneta.

I’ve seen this alert on an on-line forum:

A word of warning for those who rely on apps/trackers – the new Papworth Hospital stop doesn't appear on either OpenStreetMap or Google Maps. Or on Vix. Indeed, the new road on which it's positioned doesn't appear anywhere. So I suspect it's impossible to search for in any app. And to make matters worse, Google is still routing the A and D via Mary Archer Way, which means that it's sending/leading folk to the "wrong" stop at the Rosie.

I’ve looked at the VIX-generated http://www.cambridgeshirebus.info site and can see Rosie Maternity 0500CCITY447 (CMBGDPWT) and Puddicombe Way 0500CCITY534 (CMBGMPAW) displaying correctly but nothing for The Green (outside Royal Papworth Hospital) as the access road is not yet shown. Similarly the new stop does not appear on the MyBusTrip app.

As remarked above, Transit info in Google maps still gives A and D departures at CMBGMPTG (VIX 0500CCITY537) on Mary Archer Way.

I do know that Stagecoach East have published their service update:

Francis Crick Avenue, Cambridge Biomedical Campus - 23 April 2019
Due to the opening of the new Royal Papworth Hospital access road, we will no longer serve stops on Francis Crick Avenue and Dame Mary Archer Way on Busway A and Busway D services only.
Busway A and D will now serve the new bus stops located at The Green (outside Royal Papworth Hospital) or at the Rosie Maternity Hospital.
Citi 7, Route R and Service H will continue to serve Francis Crick Avenue and Dame Mary Archer Way bus stops.


Anything you can do to affect the updates?

Do VIX have an input to OpenStreetMap updates as the http://www.cambridgeshirebus.info site is based thereon? And are you/they in a position to correct Google Maps?

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #117 on: April 24, 2019, 03:53:42 PM »
I think anyone can correct openstreetmap? (if they know how...)

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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #118 on: April 24, 2019, 03:58:50 PM »
Quote from: Zaneta, RTPI Team
RE: New Papworth Hospital bus stops

Good afternoon

I have just been on site to have some displays instaled on Francis Crick avenue and it came to my attention that there are new shelters on the new busway outside Papworth hospital.

I will forward this to passenger transport as those bus stops have no ID and hence we weren't aware of those either.

Hopefully passenger transport team will help us out and update the data so all maps will show them.

Thanks
Zaneta

Fingers crossed.
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Re: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019
« Reply #119 on: April 24, 2019, 06:05:18 PM »
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