Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2019

[Habbinman]

Does anyone know when the new deckers for the Busway are due?  I seem to remember there was talk about October but I can't find the relevant post.

  The last of the batch (of 12) are in the process of being bodied now at Falkirk. In fact, the first one, 13901, has been reported as being at the Millbrook Vehicle Proving Ground, Bedfordshire, undergoing some testing. They are provisionally due to enter service for early December.

[skyLink]

Nice booked working to keep a eye on.

The 0732 Citi 7 from Cambridge to Sawston is worked by a fens bus today being 15202.

[Spoddendale]

Notices and Proceedings number 2404 dated 4 December 2019 contains the following applications:

Section 3.3 – Applications to Vary Existing Services

PF0000459/36 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Oakington given service number 6 / 6 effective from 05 January 2020. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/54 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Cambourne given service number 4 / 4 effective from 05 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/128 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Chatteris given service number 8 / 8 effective from 05 January 2020. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/215 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge City Centre and Newmarket Road park&ride given service number PR2 / PR2 effective from 26 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/133 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Longstowe given service number 18 / 18 effective from 05 January 2020. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/188 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Fenstanton given service number 5 / 5 / 5C / 5A effective from 05 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/40 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Saffron Walden and Cambridge given service number 7 / 7 effective from 05 January 2020. To amend Timetable.


Section 3.5 – Cancellations of Existing Services

PF0000459/181 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Longstanton and Swavesey given service number 91_95 / 96 effective from 05 January 2020.



David

[chris johnson]

There are on the website yesterday for bus changes

[TCD813]

There are on the website yesterday for bus changes.

Which website, Chris?

Ah, found it here on the Stagecoach website: Service Changes January 2020.

No mention of Newmarket Road P&R (PR2) from 26 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable...



Edit: add link.

[HughT]

No wonder it wasn't easy to find. Buried under SC East "Regional promos and offers". I wonder which it is, a promo, or an offer to Willingham/Over/Swavesey residents of considerably increased journey times. Less an offer than a guaranteed cert...

[barryb]

No wonder it wasn't easy to find. Buried under SC East "Regional promos and offers". I wonder which it is, a promo, or an offer to Willingham/Over/Swavesey residents of considerably increased journey times. Less an offer than a guaranteed cert...

That's awful!

If they were going to make it a connection couldn't they have made it a connection from the busway, and then they could have said it would leave as soon as the first [insert letter] leaving [location] after [time] arrived? Less waiting in the cold etc...

I take it a new home of the ex Ashford mini buses has just revealed itself?

[TCD813]

That's awful!

If they were going to make it a connection couldn't they have made it a connection from the busway, and then they could have said it would leave as soon as the first [insert letter] leaving [location] after [time] arrived? Less waiting in the cold etc...

I take it a new home of the ex Ashford mini buses has just revealed itself?

Good point. 5A/5C both serve Longstanton P&R on outward and inward journeys.

Citi 5A - This service will operate from Bar Hill to Longstanton Park & Ride before travelling (in an anti-clockwise direction) to Willingham, Over and Swavesey before returning to Longstanton Park & Ride and Bar Hill.

Citi 5C - This service will operate from Bar Hill to Longstanton Park & Ride before travelling (in a clockwise direction) to Swavesey, Over and Willingham before returning to Longstanton Park & Ride and Bar Hill.

Both of these journeys (5A and 5C)will require changing buses at Bar Hill for journeys to/from Cambridge City Centre.

It would be better to promote it as a new, more reliable service (because not affected by delays to service 5 through the A14 roadworks) linking the villages to the busway.

I doubt this will be a home for the 17-seat ex-Ashford Mercedes Sprinters, not least because the services will be run by one single vehicle which departs from Drummer Street at 07:15/07:20 and makes its final journey on the 5C route (albeit as a 5) back to Drummer Street arriving 18:30 before running out to Fenstanton.

[chris johnson]

Stagecoach Cambridge website tcd813 nothing about pr2

[TCD813]

Stagecoach Cambridge website tcd813 nothing about pr2

I’m intrigued as to the route change for P&R2.

[Julia_Hayward]

Hasn't it already changed recently? I thought it was Newmarket Road - Maids Causeway - Emmanuel Street - Regent Street - Parkside - East Road (Grafton Centre) - Newmarket Road, but recently have seen it going to the Grafton Centre in both directions. Must be wasteful of time trying to turn right out of the Grafton Centre on the inbound journeys?

[TCD813]

Hasn't it already changed recently? I thought it was Newmarket Road - Maids Causeway - Emmanuel Street - Regent Street - Parkside - East Road (Grafton Centre) - Newmarket Road, but recently have seen it going to the Grafton Centre in both directions. Must be wasteful of time trying to turn right out of the Grafton Centre on the inbound journeys?

Some of the morning peak journeys have always continued on the single carriageway section of Newmarket Road and Maids’ Causeway, Rather than East Road.

Maybe this will be the route throughout the day, inbound, with only the outbound route serving the Grafton Centre, very much as P&R Milton does.

The – rather rubbishy – Grafton Centre Bus Station is set to be swept away for a new hotels development, in any case.

[Habbinman]

Some of the morning peak journeys have always continued on the single carriageway section of Newmarket Road and Maids’ Causeway, Rather than East Road.

Maybe this will be the route throughout the day, inbound, with only the outbound route serving the Grafton Centre, very much as P&R Milton does.

The – rather rubbishy – Grafton Centre Bus Station is set to be swept away for a new hotels development, in any case.

Quite agree with you there. Like you, I've always regarded the Grafton Centre "Bus Station" as rubbishy, especially for being built in a tight circular manner. When the dual-door deckers were on the P & R services, because of the curvature, you couldn't get the rear door anywhere near the kerb !! Thus making it a severe problem for passengers to leave the bus, especially those with walking difficulties !!

As mentioned by Julia, turning right out of the Grafton was an absolute nightmare, at peak times & with nobody giving way to you, except other buses ! It was also guaranteed to lose you running time, having to wait an exit chance ! Then there was the problem of taxis & delivery vehicles parked in there, making manoeuvring quite difficult past the roundabout wall, on the inside !

It would have been better to have had a Bus Stop Layby, for at least 3 buses, on the Grafton side of East Road, for Outbound services. Inbound services then using Newmarket Rd/Napier Street junction.

[TCD813]

Some of the morning peak journeys have always continued on the single carriageway section of Newmarket Road and Maids’ Causeway, Rather than East Road.

Maybe this will be the route throughout the day, inbound, with only the outbound route serving the Grafton Centre, very much as P&R Milton does.

The – rather rubbishy – Grafton Centre Bus Station is set to be swept away for a new hotels development, in any case.

Quite agree with you there. Like you, I've always regarded the Grafton Centre "Bus Station" as rubbishy, especially for being built in a tight circular manner. When the dual-door deckers were on the P & R services, because of the curvature, you couldn't get the rear door anywhere near the kerb !! Thus making it a severe problem for passengers to leave the bus, especially those with walking difficulties !!

As mentioned by Julia, turning right out of the Grafton was an absolute nightmare, at peak times & with nobody giving way to you, except other buses ! It was also guaranteed to lose you running time, having to wait an exit chance ! Then there was the problem of taxis & delivery vehicles parked in there, making manoeuvring quite difficult past the roundabout wall, on the inside !

It would have been better to have had a Bus Stop Layby, for at least 3 buses, on the Grafton side of East Road, for Outbound services. Inbound services then using Newmarket Rd/Napier Street junction.

Spot on. I've often thought that bus bays on East Road (Northbound) would have avoided the time penalty on pulling in and out for one direction. There has been a proposal to re-purpose part of Sun Street (adjacent to Newmarket Road) from a car park to a bus station. Street view image.

I'm afraid, however, that I cannot find the documentation on this proposal.

[Julia_Hayward]

There doesn't look like enough space in Sun Street, plus it's not actually that near anywhere where people might want to go.

I hope that when the Grafton Centre pull-in closes, that East Road between the Grafton car park entrance and ARU gets singled to cars, freeing up plenty of space for buses in both directions. Why was it ever dualled when the bit from ARU to Parkside was always going to be a bottleneck? Presumably they hoped to bulldoze their way through Zion Baptist...

[linkyyork]

Latest N&Ps has the following

PF0000459 SN   CAMBUS LIMITED
Director(s): ARNOLD MARK THREAPLETON, MICHELLE HARGREAVES, Bruce Dingwall
    100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
Increase at existing operating centre: CAMBRIDGE ROAD, FENSTANTON, HUNTINGDON, PE28 9JB
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 71 vehicle(s)
Decrease at existing operating centre: ST. JOHNS STREET, BEDFORD,
MK42 0DJ
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 113 vehicle(s)

[Julia_Hayward]

Not sure it's been reported before but former Busway 15463 is now in the normal fleet livery (on the 2 tonight).

[Spoddendale]

Notices and Proceedings number 2407 dated 25 December 2019 contains the following application(s):

Section 3.4 – Applications to Vary Existing Services Granted Under Short Notice

PF0000459/184 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between St Ives and Chatteris given service number A / D / A effective from 12 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/182 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Trumpington P&R and Godmanchester given service number A_B / A / D / B effective from 12 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

David

[TCD813]

Notices and Proceedings number 2407 dated 25 December 2019 contains the following application(s):

Section 3.4 – Applications to Vary Existing Services Granted Under Short Notice

PF0000459/184 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between St Ives and Chatteris given service number A / D / A effective from 12 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/182 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Trumpington P&R and Godmanchester given service number A_B / A / D / B effective from 12 January 2020. To amend Route and Timetable.

David

Presumably to cope with services still not been able to access the section of the busway between Histon and Orchard Park as an interim until the introduction of new services?

[Grahamk748]

Bus lists on the web have 2 BYD/ADL E400EV listed as 14033/34 LF69UXN/O.
I didnt know any were due here or have I missed something? Or are they part of the batch for Manchester coming here first? Can’t find any pictures anywhere though.

[chris johnson]

I noticed that 2 Cambridge got byd buses not sure what going on there I noticed it before Xmas day news to me what going on there

[Grahamk748]

Searching the internet Manchester have 32 on order so probably 14001-32 so the Cambridge ones are extra to that? But can find no mention of them anywhere.

[chris johnson]

I know a friend in Peterborough call me up if any thing new going on if new buses coming but when he know he will put it up if they let him put it up as me and my mate got friends in stagecoach east in Cambridge, Peterborough and fenstanton if one of us know might put it up

[Steven Knight Media]

Bus lists on the web have 2 BYD/ADL E400EV listed as 14033/34 LF69UXN/O.
I didnt know any were due here or have I missed something? Or are they part of the batch for Manchester coming here first? Can’t find any pictures anywhere though.

These are for Cambridge and are an extra to the order for the 32 buses for Manchester.
I believe they will be used on Citi6

[al_557]

Couldn't help noticing the fleet numbers used for the new hybrids. The 14*** series used to be for Leyland Olympians. Most of the batch use the fleet numbers of former United Counties Olympians 14001/2/4-11 were ARP601/02/04-11X, 14020-32 were F620-32MSL .The ones for Cambridge used to be the fleet numbers of former United Counties Olympians 14033/34 F633MSL and F634MSP. The vast majority of these are now scrapped