Author Topic: Buses which cause 'too much pollution' for London are being sent to Cambridge  (Read 1875 times)

Offline John Wakefield

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Cambridge have a very modern fleet compared to most parts of the country. Bedford, Fenstanton and Peterborough still have Darts on frontline services  that are up to 16 years old.

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it is nice to see some old London buses on the road out of London still with stagecoach plus its nice to have a bit of a mix fleet around in the east not keep on seeing the same old rubbish plus its nice to see them before moving on to over bus companys
this photo is a 53 reg Trident what I'm on and its 18058 yes it is Chris johnson

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I’m not sure the councillors are correct about London’s old buses sent to Cambridge. And, certainly the 100-seat tri-axle double deckers on order for the busway aren’t ex-London. They’re to Euro VI standard – cleaner than the car/light van Euro 6 ‘equivalent’, mainly because the testing regime for bus engines can’t be ‘gamed’ like the car exhaust tests.

I think that I’m right in recalling that Darren Roe, Engineering Director, told me that all Cowley Road’s vehicles are Euro V or better.

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I think the buses concerned are as previously reported

"Look out for at least ten Scania Omnicity vehicles joining this fleet from Stagecoach London. 15074/75/78/81/83/85/87/89/90/92 are the earmarked vehicles which will be converted to single door".

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I think the buses concerned are as previously reported

"Look out for at least ten Scania Omnicity vehicles joining this fleet from Stagecoach London. 15074/75/78/81/83/85/87/89/90/92 are the earmarked vehicles which will be converted to single door".

Those are the ones. What I find weird about it is that they're all 09 plate and would replace Enviro 400's that are a year newer than them. There are older Tridents at Bedford and Peterborough that would be replaced by the resulting cascaded Enviro 400's. The reason they're going to Cambridge I think is that Bedford and Peterborough can't have high bridge double deckers due to low bridges and also don't have fitters trained on Scanias. Where as Cambridge already has Scania Enviro 400's
« Last Edit: June 10, 2019, 11:51:57 PM by al_557 »

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The press frustrate me, they did virtually the same article about Norwich.

They have no understanding. They seem more interested in supporting cars than public transport. They need to get their facts right.

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Always been the same,  controversial or bad news sells newspapers.

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I would have imagined these Scanias were retrofitted at some point in their lives to comply with the London LEZ requirements? Could well be their emissions are lower than equivalent aged buses in use in Cambridge if so.

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The media was churning out a similar story the other week about older buses being dumped on Norwich... Same Story, just change the City...

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I would have imagined these Scanias were retrofitted at some point in their lives to comply with the London LEZ requirements? Could well be their emissions are lower than equivalent aged buses in use in Cambridge if so.

Taken from TfL’s vehicle checker...

LX09AEY
Red SCANIA
 
No ULEZ charge due for this vehicle
This vehicle meets the emission standards for ULEZ so you don't have to pay this charge when driving within the zone.
No LEZ charge due for this vehicle
The LEZ is different from the ULEZ - it doesn't apply to cars and motorbikes. This vehicle either meets the required emission standards, is exempt from or not affected by the scheme, or is subject to a 100% discount.

God forbid, the CEN or a politician would let the facts get in the way of a ‘story’ ...and some people want politicians to be in charge of our bus services!!

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God forbid, the CEN or a politician would let the facts get in the way of a ‘story’ ...and some people want politicians to be in charge of our bus services!!

AND especially when they don't know their R's from their elbow, and are well & truly Clueless !

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(Some) politicians are part of the problem, see this video of Gary Forbes-Burns, Operations Support Manager at Ascendal Group (Parent of Whippet Coaches) speaking to the Cambridge Area Bus Users Annual General Meeting on 15 June 2019.

Quote from: Gary Forbes-Burns
The latest round of Cambridgeshire County Council tenders specifies that anything which does not have to come into Cambridge only has to be level Euro III and if it came into Cambridge it was Euro VI. That's something which is there which can give a very quick win, and other local authorities are pushing for much higher levels than that.
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Taken from TfL’s vehicle checker...

LX09AEY
Red SCANIA
 
No ULEZ charge due for this vehicle
This vehicle meets the emission standards for ULEZ so you don't have to pay this charge when driving within the zone.
No LEZ charge due for this vehicle
The LEZ is different from the ULEZ - it doesn't apply to cars and motorbikes. This vehicle either meets the required emission standards, is exempt from or not affected by the scheme, or is subject to a 100% discount.

God forbid, the CEN or a politician would let the facts get in the way of a ‘story’ ...and some people want politicians to be in charge of our bus services!!

Could anyone oblige with the reg marks of all ten?
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Could anyone oblige with the reg marks of all ten?

Many thanks to Nat2.
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Here's a blogpost on the Cambridge Area Bus Users website Dirty Buses? which attempts to pull together some facts on the matter and do a little myth-busting...

Do read and feel free to comment, either here or on the Cambridge Area Bus Users site.
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Two currently at Cowley road.  Lx09aff and afu

Edit by TCD813: Rotated photo
« Last Edit: July 28, 2019, 06:17:38 PM by TCD813 »
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Any word on what these are to be used on? I thought I saw a post saying schools services, but the pair of "contract only" ex-London Tridents were seeing service on just about anything after a short while. As smart as this looks I'm not sure I'd want to be on those seats all the way to March or Bury St Edmunds!

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Two currently at Cowley road.  Lx09aff and afu
I must say they do look strange in stagecoach corporate livery, and they also look very high, anyone know what height they are? Also the removal of the second door looks a brilliant job nothing like I'd seen at one point, i recall once riding an ex London Olympian (with whippet) where they had just used a pannel and there was no window and it was shockingly dark inside.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2019, 07:10:59 PM by Emms1 »

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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2019, 10:13:09 AM »
When towns like Cambridge eventually realise that the congestion in the centre of town is unsustainable there will be a charge zone. Buses will have contactless payment only and the central door will be the norm, resulting in much reduced dwell times. Total journey times will be vastly reduced and bus passenger numbers will increase significantly.
 
Complex and circuitous one way systems will be unnecessary so travel distances will be shorter. The feel and atmosphere of the town will improve with more space to segregate cyclists and pedestrians. The town centre will become more attractive to shoppers and visitor numbers will increase.

This worked in central London to start with but the congestion charge did not increase fast enough to continue to be a deterrent. Cambridge will have to monitor the effectiveness carefully and increase the charge accordingly.




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Let’s be clear – the congestion charging zone is not an organism which increases by, itself, it was not developed sufficiently by Boris Johnson during his time in office.  He was much more focused on vanity projects such as the overly expensive ‘Borismaster’ bus, water-canon, and a garden bridge to impress Joanna Lumley.
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Mmmm.......

Further Borisbus orders cancelled when he left office !

Water Cannon...sold off at a loss !

Garden Bridge plans - dropped as too expensive!

And now this total buffoon  is going to be our next PM !
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Any word on what these are to be used on? I thought I saw a post saying schools services, but the pair of "contract only" ex-London Tridents were seeing service on just about anything after a short while. As smart as this looks I'm not sure I'd want to be on those seats all the way to March or Bury St Edmunds!

As 10 are coming it won't be just schools!

Cambridge city services seem to have been pretty much "whatever's in the garage and works" recently, I'm hoping they bring an end to E300s on the 1, 3 and 9, in turn getting rid of the inadequate Darts on the 2... I also think they look pretty good for their age, shows what can be done with a healthy amount of TLC!