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Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« on: December 30, 2019, 09:58:10 PM »
New thread for 2020 Go West t/a as Stagecoach in Long Sutton and Wisbech

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2020, 05:33:14 PM »
Enviro 400s 15809 and 19690 were parked ip at Lynn 17.30 today

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 08:57:12 AM »
Rare visit to Kings Lynn for this type of bus

21213 FX05 FXL on the 505 at 9am, had on hire sign in window

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2020, 10:48:39 AM »
Annual accounts etc now available for Go West Travel on the Companies House website
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03117358/filing-history

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2020, 02:13:22 PM »
Had an email to do a survey on 505 bus service

https://www.research.net/r/?sm=a8X21OW_2BG4nFiBc2lDxdIw_3D_3D

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2020, 04:18:51 PM »
Annual accounts etc now available for Go West Travel on the Companies House website
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03117358/filing-history

If I am reading this correct its still running at a loss and the term "a going concern" is mentioned quite alot

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2020, 06:58:38 AM »
One of the drivers told me over the weekend that the route is running at a loss, they are also looking at running a service to link Spalding and Boston but not getting any joy

Not sure whether Lincolnshire Council and the Traffic Commissioner would or could block it or not, problem is that should Stagecoach run a service between Spalding and Boston it would have an impact on Beylaine as they run other routes Stagecoach wouldnt want

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2020, 08:22:33 AM »
One of the drivers told me over the weekend that the route is running at a loss, they are also looking at running a service to link Spalding and Boston but not getting any joy

Not sure whether Lincolnshire Council and the Traffic Commissioner would or could block it or not, problem is that should Stagecoach run a service between Spalding and Boston it would have an impact on Beylaine as they run other routes Stagecoach wouldnt want
Under deregulation Stagecoach can register a service where they like but before it is approved they must inform the councils in the areas through which the service will run.
I suppose councils could object but it is most unlikely they would to be seen blocking a new bus service.

As the Brylaine service is mostly commercial it is surprising how it makes any money as most buses outside the peaks seem to run empty.
Brylaine got on to this route after deregulation after Lincolnshire Road Car closed its Boston depot

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2020, 08:59:00 PM »
Under deregulation Stagecoach can register a service where they like but before it is approved they must inform the councils in the areas through which the service will run.
I suppose councils could object but it is most unlikely they would to be seen blocking a new bus service.

As the Brylaine service is mostly commercial it is surprising how it makes any money as most buses outside the peaks seem to run empty.
Brylaine got on to this route after deregulation after Lincolnshire Road Car closed its Boston depot

Neither a council nor anyone else can ‘object’. Stagecoach just need to give the required 70 days notice.

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2020, 10:59:57 PM »
Neither a council nor anyone else can ‘object’. Stagecoach just need to give the required 70 days notice.
You must tell the local authority in England or the local council in Scotland that you’re starting a bus service. You must do this 28 days before you apply to the traffic commissioner.

Apply to the traffic commissioner at least 42 days before your service starts - or 56 days before if your service is in Wales.

Objections of some sort must be allowed.
Have a look at at the heading on one of todays N&Ps

NOTICES AND PROCEEDINGS
PUBLICATION NUMBER:      2536
PUBLICATION DATE:         10/02/2020
OBJECTION DEADLINE DATE:   02/03/2020

This is only one example, but if you check all N&Ps they have an objection date
« Last Edit: February 10, 2020, 11:09:32 PM by linkyyork »

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2020, 11:42:23 PM »
If I am reading this correct its still running at a loss and the term "a going concern" is mentioned quite alot

They're not good, but they're not awful.  The things they haven't stopped aren't either making or losing them money (though obviously they are employing assets they could be using to make money elsewhere, so breaking even isn't good enough).  They've achieved this by more or less writing off the entire cost of buying the business in last year's accounts, which isn't ideal.

I think it's kind of what we were expecting though?  Buying a business and to the best part closing it down never seemed like a money maker (especially when a lot of the business consisted of having picked up things you previously didn't want when you bought Cavalier and more or less closed it down).

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 08:57:13 AM »
You must tell the local authority in England or the local council in Scotland that you’re starting a bus service. You must do this 28 days before you apply to the traffic commissioner.

Apply to the traffic commissioner at least 42 days before your service starts - or 56 days before if your service is in Wales.

Objections of some sort must be allowed.
Have a look at at the heading on one of todays N&Ps

NOTICES AND PROCEEDINGS
PUBLICATION NUMBER:      2536
PUBLICATION DATE:         10/02/2020
OBJECTION DEADLINE DATE:   02/03/2020

This is only one example, but if you check all N&Ps they have an objection date
I think the objection deadline is over O-License applications & the addition of depots, where local residents don't consider a site suitable or there are issues around the application such as people involved.  I don't know of any mechanism for the council to block a registration submitted with the full 70-day period, they may ask for adjustments or changes but unless you are in a Quality Partnership/Contract area you can't block it.  In regards to Stagecoach it may be they would like to find a way of linking Spalding to the rest of the Lincolnshire network at Boston but can't find a solution that doesn't involve stepping on Brylaine's toes, undesirable both in regards of relationships with other operators & the council (councils don't tend to like on road competition in most circumstances as it de-stabilises the wider network) and because the area struggles to support one operator per route, it certainly won't support two in any long term commercial sense.

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2020, 11:18:44 AM »
They're not good, but they're not awful.  The things they haven't stopped aren't either making or losing them money (though obviously they are employing assets they could be using to make money elsewhere, so breaking even isn't good enough).  They've achieved this by more or less writing off the entire cost of buying the business in last year's accounts, which isn't ideal.

I think it's kind of what we were expecting though?  Buying a business and to the best part closing it down never seemed like a money maker (especially when a lot of the business consisted of having picked up things you previously didn't want when you bought Cavalier and more or less closed it down).

Correct but with Norfolk Green it was different in the fact that most of the services run were council tenders.
The main routes to Hunstanton were commercially operated but only the direct route was profitable.
When Lynx started up, even on these groups it was stated that Stagecoach would see them off.
However to quote a TV prog they had a cunning plan.
First of all they operated only on the profit making direct route to Hunstanton and only operated the hours when most people were about.
During this time they then undercut Stagecoach, and other operators, on the
retendering of the tendered services thereby gaining the routes which started to reduce Stagecoach's income.
Should Stagecoach have seen the possibility of this happening, obviously not.
It is interesting to note though that Lynx took the Dersingham to Wells school service from Stagecoach on retendering but they themselves lost it to Sanders last year.
What did they do, change the route slightly in Wells and registered it as commercial, now why did they need the council money before if they could do that.

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2020, 11:48:22 AM »
I think the objection deadline is over O-License applications & the addition of depots, where local residents don't consider a site suitable or there are issues around the application such as people involved.  I don't know of any mechanism for the council to block a registration submitted with the full 70-day period, they may ask for adjustments or changes but unless you are in a Quality Partnership/Contract area you can't block it.  In regards to Stagecoach it may be they would like to find a way of linking Spalding to the rest of the Lincolnshire network at Boston but can't find a solution that doesn't involve stepping on Brylaine's toes, undesirable both in regards of relationships with other operators & the council (councils don't tend to like on road competition in most circumstances as it de-stabilises the wider network) and because the area struggles to support one operator per route, it certainly won't support two in any long term commercial sense.

Very interesting thoughts.
However until it is known what Stagecoach are up to it will be impossible to work anything out.
If what they are doing now had been done by the NBC or any other nationalised industry there would be an out cry.
Under East they were not far from a maintenance depot and even had the 37 route that could have facilitated exchange of vehicles.
Now it would appear, from my observations, that vehicles do empty runs to and from Skegness with no arrangement in place to changeover vehicles at Boston via the 57 service.
Long Sutton and the 505 now have far better buses then other areas of Stagecoach with the majority being ex Oxford Gold vehicles.
Though everything appears to be  just floundering with seemingly no one knowing what to do next.
The Go West Travel, which the company still is, in its annual report stated that during the present financial year they will be selling off assets in Kings Lynn, but it is to be hoped that they are not going to rely on this until nothing is left OR have they a buyer lined up for the company.

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2020, 01:20:32 PM »
Stagecoach Lincoln Varient Gemini 16939 was in Kings Lynn at 1pm today

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2020, 11:46:15 AM »
I think the objection deadline is over O-License applications & the addition of depots, where local residents don't consider a site suitable or there are issues around the application such as people involved.  I don't know of any mechanism for the council to block a registration submitted with the full 70-day period, they may ask for adjustments or changes but unless you are in a Quality Partnership/Contract area you can't block it.  In regards to Stagecoach it may be they would like to find a way of linking Spalding to the rest of the Lincolnshire network at Boston but can't find a solution that doesn't involve stepping on Brylaine's toes, undesirable both in regards of relationships with other operators & the council (councils don't tend to like on road competition in most circumstances as it de-stabilises the wider network) and because the area struggles to support one operator per route, it certainly won't support two in any long term commercial sense.



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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2020, 03:34:52 PM »
Following this Personal Message...
Hi mate, just wondering whether the posts ref the 57 extension from Boston to Spalding that are in the Long Sutton thread, would be better in the Skegness one now it's clear the service would be run from Skegness and not Long Sutton yard, maybe the posts could be moved.

Thanks

I created this thread – Interconnect 57/X57 Skegness-Boston-Spalding – on the Stagecoach East Midlands board.

I've merged relevant posts from elsewhere into it.

Hope that suits everyone and makes sense.

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2020, 06:12:42 PM »
Apparently 12 drivers out of Long Sutton have been put on the Furlough Scheme as a result of the virus situation

Meanwhile at the bus station in Lynn a temporary timetable is on display with 1 bus per hour weekdays and Saturdays and no times for Sundays however there appears to be some confusion over this

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2020, 09:37:32 AM »
Published in this weeks local paper

https://www.wisbechstandard.co.uk/news/claims-about-working-conditions-for-bus-drivers-during-coronavirus-lockdown-revealed-1-6586958

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“We were having to go to the toilet behind a portacabin” - Claims about working conditions for bus drivers during coronavirus lockdown revealed

PUBLISHED: 13:27 31 March 2020 | UPDATED: 16:28 01 April 2020

Stagecoach has hit back and challenged the claims which include a lack of toilet and hand washing facilities, saying none of the allegations ‘have any substance’.

The driver has asked to remain anonymous as he doesn’t want to lose his job for speaking up about the working conditions at the Stagecoach depots at Long Sutton and Wisbech last week.

He alleges:-

• Drivers were told to stay at work, even if they had been in contact with a colleague in self-isolation with symptoms of COVID-19.

• Toilet or hand washing facilities were not available for three days last week as the Long Sutton depot and Wisbech resting area were shut down.

• Drivers were having to go to the loo behind a portacabin as there was no running water to wash their hands afterwards.

• One cleaner is responsible for deep cleaning the fleet of buses and is stretched to complete the task properly.

• Anyone who speaks up about the situation is threatened with being sent home without pay.

Stagecoach has denied many of the claims, but the driver told us: “They [Stagecoach] closed the depot down at Long Sutton and they still made us all go to work, even though we had contact with the driver.

“To make it worse, they left us drivers with no toilet facilities and nowhere to wash our hands for three days.

“Us males at the depot, we were having to go to the toilet behind a portacabin - God knows what the women were doing.”

RMT, the bus drivers’ union, is investigating the claims, which they say reflect working conditions drivers across the country are reporting to them.

A Stagecoach spokesperson wouldn’t confirm if a driver working out of Long Sutton and Wisbech went into self-isolation, but explained the depots and resting facilities at both locations were closed for 72 hours last week for deep cleaning ‘in line with government advice’.

Alternative resting facilities and arrangements were put in place and staff were provided with bottles of drinking water.

There were, however, difficulties in securing a toilet at Long Sutton where staff were advised to use public toilets ‘which are a short walk away from the depot’.

“We also provided a hire care that our employees could use to drive to and from the public toilets,” the spokesperson added.

As the public toilets were closed in Wisbech, drivers were able to use the facilities at a nearby recruitment centre, which Stagecoach has supplied with extra toilet roll and cleaning equipment.

The spokesperson said: “The safety and well-being of our employees is our first priority and we’re extremely proud of the way our teams are pulling together to ensure we can continue to deliver transport links for key workers.

“The team has been working hard to prepare and deliver these services across the East Midlands and Lincolnshire region and we’re extremely grateful for the ongoing effort from all employees.”

Stagecoach added that all staff have been issued with public health guidelines on what to do if they believe they have been in contact with anyone who has displayed coronavirus symptoms.

Every member of staff has also been given their own hand sanitiser, and there are ‘extensive supplies of hand sanitiser and gloves’ at both depots.

Stagecoach insists all vehicles ‘are going through an enhanced cleaning regime which is being strictly adhered to and includes extensive cleaning of the main customer touch points’.

“We have additional cleaning staff helping with this from nearby depots,” the spokesperson added.

“It is completely untrue to suggest that we are stopping people from speaking up.

“We are actively encouraging feedback from our employees and trying to address the concerns they have as well as regularly speaking to our trade union representatives.

“We also have an independent reporting system which our staff can use to raise any concerns anonymously if they would prefer to do this.”

On Friday (March 27), the union RMT wrote to all bus companies with an appeal to look after drivers during the coronavirus lockdown.

It asked companies to transition to cashless travel during the lockdown, enhance cleaning and sanitation regimes, ensure there are adequate toilet and handwashing facilities and that screens are fitted to give drivers added protection.


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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2020, 11:33:34 AM »
Worrying, even if only partially correct.
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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2020, 09:22:49 AM »
Bad that public toilets are closed,they should be fully open and free to use at this time, so not only bus drivers but members of the public can readily wash their hands. Cambridge city toilets at Drummer St were closed or coin operated only before this outbreak. They need to be open free now.

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2020, 03:08:15 PM »
Apparently 12 drivers out of Long Sutton have been put on the Furlough Scheme as a result of the virus situation

Meanwhile at the bus station in Lynn a temporary timetable is on display with 1 bus per hour weekdays and Saturdays and no times for Sundays however there appears to be some confusion over this

505 now reduced to a two hourly service including Sunday
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/east-midlands/long-sutton-services
Link for  latest 50 56 66 not active at the time of posting
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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2020, 03:15:58 PM »
505 now reduced to a two hourly service including Sunday

There wasnt a timetable last week for Sundays so thought none were running, I see services are running today though

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2020, 03:18:56 PM »
There wasnt a timetable last week for Sundays so thought none were running, I see services are running today though

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2020, 06:40:41 AM »
Picture posted elsewhere online has appeared of Long Sutton E400 15618 in the workshop at Lincoln apparently having alot of jobs doing on it

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2020, 09:31:31 AM »
Picture posted elsewhere online has appeared of Long Sutton E400 15618 in the workshop at Lincoln apparently having alot of jobs doing on it

15618 along with 15652 and 15654 have temporarily been transferred to Lincoln

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Re: Stagecoach in Long Sutton & Wisbech happenings 2020
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2020, 02:51:07 PM »
15616 OU10 BGO was in Kings Lynn earlier sporting Inter Connect decals, previously the buses were in Inter Connect varient but no decals applied