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Offline Steves

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Coronavirus impact
« on: March 17, 2020, 08:47:38 PM »
I thought I would start a general thread for this so it is easier to see the overall impact locally.  If the admins don't agree, I am sure we can post under the individual operators,

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2020, 09:55:55 PM »
National Express are reducing the service from Stansted Airport to London by reducing the overall frequency to half hourly on 2 routes - effectively from 10 coaches an hour in each direction to 4 an hour.  The Liverpool Street and Stratford routes are combined and the Paddington and Victoria routes.  There is a reorganisation of the intermediate stops and some stops are dropped - notably Kings Cross.

On the same routes, it looks as if Arriva have postponed their operations.  Airport Bus suspended their services on the 15th March for an indefinite period.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2020, 12:35:21 PM »
In more general terms this pandemic is going to hit bus & coach operators hard, in fact many of the smaller companies who rely on school work, excursions and private hires this will be the end, many were struggling before this happened. As for local services I suppose the big companies like Stagecoach will survive but probably with drastically reduced services. As far as local council subsidised services are concerned I suppose these will continue to run, but if drivers succumb the the virus then that may be a different matter. Also there will be less and less people travelling (particularly pensioners) so the buses will be running empty. Hard times indeed.

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Bus pass restrictions lifted
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2020, 10:53:56 AM »
Travel restriction before 9.30am on pensioners bus passes have been lifted.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 12:31:21 PM by John Wakefield »

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A2B services running as normal
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2020, 12:30:20 PM »
A2B services 7A, 18 31, 32, 75, 114, 117, 127 & 202 are running normally. The driver of the 7A said there had in fact been a slight upturn in passenger numbers with people using the bus to get to the shops in Sawston. from the outlying villages of Hinxton and Whittlesford.
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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2020, 06:17:08 PM »
Whilst out on foot this morning five Citi 1s and four Citi 3s passed me in either direction. I appreciate this observation is merely subjective & few buses have many passengers on mid morning particularly towards the end or beginning of a route. However the most I saw was three passengers on any one vehicle; it was usually one, two or none. Difficult to see how a 10 minute frequency can be justified off peak in the current situation.

Moreover, the long-term viability of smaller operators – and of some routes of larger operators – will be at risk without urgent and decisive central government action.
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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2020, 10:32:26 AM »
The worst is yet to come when things return to normal and the bills come in.
The government has made statements without any thought of the consequences  and have now been forced to offer unprecedented payments to cover it and they will not be free.
This is taxpayers money which will have to be replaced to cover normal day to day things.
So it will be a wait and see but the virus will be used as excuse for lots of things we might not like to happen but will accept because of it.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2020, 10:58:43 AM »
The worst is yet to come when things return to normal and the bills come in.
The government has made statements without any thought of the consequences  and have now been forced to offer unprecedented payments to cover it and they will not be free.
This is taxpayers money which will have to be replaced to cover normal day to day things.
So it will be a wait and see but the virus will be used as excuse for lots of things we might not like to happen but will accept because of it.

Personal view: This lot (in government) are never inclined to let a good crisis go to waste, if they can turn it to their advantage in any way...
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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2020, 12:58:33 PM »
TC offering support to operators - hope the link works

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKOTC/bulletins/281cb59

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2020, 01:14:07 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2020, 09:43:41 AM »
This is very unscientific, but might be of passing interest.

On the last Friday of a "normal" weekday service in and around Cambridge (temporary - reduced - timetables are being rolled out from tomorrow) I tried to capture, in the 2-3 mins around 17.00, running times of all of the buses operating in the Cambridge area and within the nearby ring of villages (e.g. Bar Hill, Histon, Cambourne, Harston). I used the SmartCambridge bus map for this. Of course, it's none too easy, as the buses will keep moving (!) and it's easy both to miss the odd one or to double count. I deliberately excluded those that were sitting at the terminus, or at a known layover point (they show up on the map as being "in service" but 0 secs early/late).

So in this most unusual of Friday rush hours:

8 buses were more than 2 mins late. Mostly no more than 3, but a couple more than that.

11 buses were more than 2 mins early.

22 buses were within 2 mins either side of "on time".

Yet more evidence - to add to Whippet's report
https://twitter.com/GoWhippet/status/1240984407445581824[/u]]https://twitter.com/GoWhippet/status/1240984407445581824
that the reduction in traffic on Cambridge's roads resulted in the Universal service persistently running early - that public transport can function very effectively when it isn't caught up in other peoples' traffic jams...

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2020, 12:16:52 PM »
Running early is never acceptable.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2020, 12:33:34 PM »
A2B are now posting updates on Twitter https://twitter.com/A2BTravelGroup

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2020, 08:05:48 PM »
In addition to National Express ceasing operation of their coach services effective 2359 on Sunday 5 April 2020 (covered elsewhere on the Forum), Megabus is ceasing to operate services in England and Wales after the same day. However, Megabus services will continue to run in Scotland.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2020, 01:12:00 PM »
Rail replacement on Liverpool Street line today, coaches running empty Cozy's CC08ZYC, Andrews SA16ZSM & Mil-Ken JAZ6914 were seen at Great Shelford along with others from Richmonds, Felixtowe Travel and other operators. Is there any point running buses with no one travelling?
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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2020, 03:15:22 PM »
First Eastern Counties XL Norwich to Peterborough was Sunday A service everyday from March 27th.

As of this morning, Sunday service now 2 hourly. 

Monday to Saturday previous Sunday service with tweaks to enable all vehicles to be sourced from Norwich. Remaining Scanias all sent from Kings Lynn to Gt Yarmouth.

Kings Lynn garage closed - but not drivers - due to Engineering staff shortage. Not surprisingly, staff conjecture and fears as to whether the buses will return - ever. After all, once the precedence has been set , :(

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2020, 12:55:07 PM »
Rail replacement on Liverpool Street line today, coaches running empty Cozy's CC08ZYC, Andrews SA16ZSM & Mil-Ken JAZ6914 were seen at Great Shelford along with others from Richmonds, Felixtowe Travel and other operators. Is there any point running buses with no one travelling?

Looks like they were contracted to operate with a normal level of capacity despite that not being required?

These services should still be provided for those critical workers that can't drive or have no alternative means of travel, so if that means running around a few practically empty trains or coaches then so be it.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2020, 10:13:43 AM »
I have now put together an updated fleet document for Stagecoach East showing all the know 'mothballed' vehicles. The information has come from various sources with any queries checked with the DVLA site. I am aware there may be some errors and would appreciate feedback where the actual position differs from the list.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2020, 01:11:54 PM »
I have now put together an updated fleet document for Stagecoach East showing all the know 'mothballed' vehicles. The information has come from various sources with any queries checked with the DVLA site. I am aware there may be some errors and would appreciate feedback where the actual position differs from the list.

Ex London Enviro 200's 36301/02 (LX56DZU/V) are both still in service at Bedford. Although their future use when Bromham road bridge finally reopens will be as trainers  hence why they got flip dot blinds from scrapped Darts rather than new ones so my friend at Bedford depot tells me

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 01:56:04 PM »
Ex London Enviro 200's 36301/02 (LX56DZU/V) are both still in service at Bedford. Although their future use when Bromham road bridge finally reopens will be as trainers  hence why they got flip dot blinds from scrapped Darts rather than new ones so my friend at Bedford depot tells me

That's great. Thanks very much for the update. Steve

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2020, 09:26:42 AM »
Notices and Proceedings number 2423 dated 15 April 2020 contains lots of variation applications for local services (too numerous to mention).

Most have retroactive dates which appear to relate to reduced services/cancellations as a result of the Coronavirus epidemic.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2020, 02:26:33 PM »
Notices and Proceedings number 2423 dated 15 April 2020 contains lots of variation applications for local services (too numerous to mention).

Most have retroactive dates which appear to relate to reduced services/cancellations as a result of the Coronavirus epidemic.

David

The alterations can now be done after 24 hours instead of the previous 28 days or whatever it was.

Edit: correct faulty html RW
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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2020, 02:45:39 PM »
From Monday, June 1st, XL service between Norwich and Peterborough expected to be restored back to previous 30 min timetable with minor alterations to late night buses only. Kings Lynn drivers to come out of furlough and (hopefully) the new Scanias to all come home.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2020, 01:34:26 PM »
Updated news : Kings Lynn garage reopened this morning (Sunday) - Normal XL service.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2020, 02:26:30 PM »
Whippet services back to normal from Monday 1st June. Except U which continues on its enhanced timetable and an extra X3  to Papworth from Cambridge at 08:10. NHS workers continue to be carried for free.

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Re: Coronavirus impact
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2020, 05:36:33 PM »
There are suggestions that the only use public transport for essential journeys is about to be relaxed to allow more leisure travel.  The rail operators are certainly gearing up for this.